Comments Thread For: Joe Joyce Drops Christian Hammer Four Times For Stoppage in Four

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I don't care how many fights he has had. He's 36 and people are rating him now, they're not projecting based on his first 14 fights. They're saying he's ready now. He's nothing until he beats somebody good.

This whole thing where people want to hype a guy up but then make excuses for him at the same time doesn't fly with me. I don't care that it's not his fault he can't get anybody good in the ring. It may not be his fault, but it doesn't count for anything in his favor either. He's just another guy with no good wins. I'm not rating him off wins over the guys who used to be Christian Hammer, Carlos Takam, Bermane Stiverne, and Ustinov.

I don't rate Anderson, Hrgovic, DuBois, Sanchez, Zhang, or Bakole either. None of them have accomplished anything.

So at what point did you rate Wilder? After he beat Ortiz? What point did you rate Fury? After he beat Klitschko? Did you rate even rate Wlad to begin with cause his resume doesn’t exactly light world on fire.

You’re setting the bar way too high man. To dismiss Joyce as nothing is crazy talk. He’s very flawed in some areas but he also has a great engine, a great chin and good power. That’s potentially more than enough in this era, let’s not forget Wilder racked up 10 defences essentially based off just being an athletic guy with a decent jab and dynamite right hand.

Based off what Joyce has done in 14 fights, I think it’s pretty obvious he’s a good HW, good enough to beat the very best maybe not but he’s easily a top 10 guy in the division currently. He’s proved his worth too, the Dubois win holds weight, even the Jennings, Stiverne etc wins hold some weight when you consider how inexperienced he was as a pro.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Who? Sánchez, Ruiz, Hgrovic, Helenius Wallon, Parker

Parker doesn’t fancy it unfortunately. I’d like to see him face Wallin, Hunter or Bakole in September. I’d be good with Helenius but he’s a little too long in the tooth IMO.

[Toffee]

So at what point did you rate Wilder? After he beat Ortiz? What point did you rate Fury? After he beat Klitschko? Did you rate even rate Wlad to begin with cause his resume doesn’t exactly light world on fire.

You’re setting the bar way too high man. To dismiss Joyce as nothing is crazy talk. He’s very flawed in some areas but he also has a great engine, a great chin and good power. That’s potentially more than enough in this era, let’s not forget Wilder racked up 10 defences essentially based off just being an athletic guy with a decent jab and dynamite right hand.

Based off what Joyce has done in 14 fights, I think it’s pretty obvious he’s a good HW, good enough to beat the very best maybe not but he’s easily a top 10 guy in the division currently. He’s proved his worth too, the Dubois win holds weight, even the Jennings, Stiverne etc wins hold some weight when you consider how inexperienced he was as a pro.

He's top 10. He's worthy but not yet proven. Very similar to Ortiz a few years back, maybe with slightly better wins.

Next step is obviously facing another top 10 fighter. Parker was too good to be true - I don't think that fight was ever actually happening.

[Boxingfanatic75]

I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it again; the HW division is the weakest it has been in over 50 years. Good god! This guy is a top 10? He moves like old people phuck (nice and slow). 90s/2000s any top 15 HW mops the floor with this slug. He truly is SLOW. Any HW with any ounce of athleticism can get out of the way from his punches. How the hell couldn’t you!? You can see them a full second before they even come! He also telegraphs them for the world to see.

Wow the HW division is in bad shape.

[Boxviewer]

Joyce will up the levels depending on who he is facing.

His performance vs Dubois was not a crude performance. His defense was better than usual, and it was his Jab that won him the fight.

Beating Dubois is a very underrated performance. Not many Heavyweights could withstand the violent attacks from Dubois.

I was impressed how Joyce, did not panic and stuck to a game plan etc.

But as many people have stated, Joyce needs big fights NOW. There is a risk, that by the time he gets his title shot? He will be eroded.

I think Dubois needs better match making under Warren. Looking through his resume, David Haye was finding this man tough opponents.

Joe Joyce has the 4th best resume in the UK, he may even have a better winning resume than Derek Chisora 'Joyce has a top-8 resume in World Heavyweight boxing'.

That will be a good fight, Joyce vs Chisora.

Would Chisora take it?

He beat Dubois who has zero head movement with jabs. That's nothing special. Besides who of note has Dubois beaten?

[PBR Streetgang]

He's top 10. He's worthy but not yet proven. Very similar to Ortiz a few years back, maybe with slightly better wins.

Next step is obviously facing another top 10 fighter. Parker was too good to be true - I don't think that fight was ever actually happening.

Ortiz had one (maybe two if you count Tony Thompson) win prior to fighting Wilder. He now has two or three good wins (if you count Thompson and Martin).

Joyce has a better resume IMO since he has Dubois and Takam.

[PBR Streetgang]

He beat Dubois who has zero head movement with jabs. That's nothing special. Besides who of note has Dubois beaten?

Dubois has beaten Gorman and Bryan. Joyce has beaten Dubois, Stiverne, Jennings, Hammer, Ustinov. It's not great but it's better than alot of title aspirants.

[BOXINGSD]

Joe need to work on that defense

[Bonham77]

I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it again; the HW division is the weakest it has been in over 50 years. Good god! This guy is a top 10? He moves like old people phuck (nice and slow). 90s/2000s any top 15 HW mops the floor with this slug. He truly is SLOW. Any HW with any ounce of athleticism can get out of the way from his punches. How the hell couldn’t you!? You can see them a full second before they even come! He also telegraphs them for the world to see.

Wow the HW division is in bad shape.

Totally agree. Absolutely brutal.

[PRINCEKOOL]

He beat Dubois who has zero head movement with jabs. That's nothing special. Besides who of note has Dubois beaten?

Nobody is chasing a fight with Dubois, even though Warren will make sure it is big business.

Dubois is the WBA regular Heavyweight Champion. Dubois has a solid jab, and solid enough fundamentals.

It is a underrated win.