Vergil Ortiz vs Jaron Ennis -- who exactly is ducking this fight?

[rickJen]

Well, that's pretty much it for this thread. I don't think there's anything more to add.

Welterweight used to be the most active division and has the most stars;
the filet mignon of the sport. Now it's become just another division full of random guys
fighting random opposition.

[PBR Streetgang]

That's true. Fans seem to have acclimated well into such culture, albeit passively.
They're okay with it. Well, they can scream bloody hell till they're blue in the face
and nothing will change, anyways. Since when did promoters listen to fans?
I can't remember any instance.

It's business. Losing the zero ruins the business. Two top players ignoring each other
making their own individual paths to wherever they are headed.

I don't disagree with anything you say. I tire of the politics, emphasis on promotions, and padded, records with little actual substance.

[MONGOOSE66]

What's the story?
Why is there no media attention to this fight?
When is this fight expected to happen?
What exactly are they waiting for?

Who is to blame in all this nonsense?

I’ll be honest, I hate the “business” part of boxing but it’s reality. To answer your question “BOTH” men are avoiding it, why? Cause they can’t make enough money from each other AND one guys going to loose, therefore loose MILLIONS. They need to build their name with big name old dudes that arent a threat first.

[4truth]

Risk reward is one obvious issue here. There would be much more reward and not a lot more risk fighting an established welter. I think they both beat the current version of Thurman. I give both a pretty good chance of beating Spence as well if his fight with Crawford doesn't happen for whatever reason.

That said, I think both are willing but boxing being boxing, these two won't be fighting each other any time soon.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Maybe because other than the hardcores nobody knows them. Casuals bring the money to boxing. Hardcores not so much. I guess they didn't find much in these guys yet.

I know you think my views on boxing and the belts are extreme. I'll add one more to it: I'm not sold big on either of these guys. Not at all. I don't see them going too far.

[rickJen]

I’ll be honest, I hate the “business” part of boxing but it’s reality. To answer your question “BOTH” men are avoiding it, why? Cause they can’t make enough money from each other AND one guys going to loose, therefore loose MILLIONS. They need to build their name with big name old dudes that arent a threat first.

Who do you have in mind? I can't think of any.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Who do you have in mind? I can't think of any.

The Pacman? I'm sure he can use some more coin.
Josesito Lopez? Broner?

[rickJen]

Maybe because other than the hardcores nobody knows them.

That's like chicken and egg thing, or like trying to put the cart ahead of the horse.
You can't get established by just fighting showcase fights after another.

They have two choices. Fight now and winner becomes a star early,
or take the long-term route fighting nobodies. Which even then is equally fraught with uncertainties.

[BoxingIsGreat]

That's like chicken and egg thing, or like trying to put the cart ahead of the horse.
You can't get established by just fighting showcase fights after another.

They have two choices. Fight now and winner becomes a star early,
or take the long-term route fighting nobodies. Which even then is equally fraught with uncertainties.

Boxing is a demand and supply thing as well. I don't see the big demand, other than a couple of hardcore fans like yourself. Neither has a personality. They are not out there hyping themselves or calling out the fighters they want repeatedly until they get it, even against each other. They need to market themselves. They're too quiet. Nobody is gonna come to them.

Ryan Garcia has the right idea. He's keeping his name out there, although he does nothing about it.

[rickJen]

Boxing is a demand and supply thing as well. I don't see the big demand, other than a couple of hardcore fans like yourself. Neither has a personality. They are not out there hyping themselves or calling out the fighters they want repeatedly until they get it, even against each other. They need to market themselves. They're too quiet. Nobody is gonna come to them.

Ryan Garcia has the right idea. He's keeping his name out there, although he does nothing about it.

I don't know man. Years ago there was no such thing as internet and social media.
Yet somehow many fighters in the division established themselves well and became huge part of boxing history.
But we'll see.