Comments Thread For: Canelo 'Understands' Second Bout With Golovkin Was Controversial

[Silence]

The only shameful scorecard was Adelaide Bird’s in the first fight. If she scored it 115-113 for Canelo it would have been acceptable and changed nothing. They fought two close fights, no knockdowns, neither were wobbled or in any serious trouble. I had GGG edging the first and Canelo the second.

I do think people who had GGG walking away with both don’t appreciate good defense. Even in the first, GGG was much more active, but Canelo was catching and countering with crisp, accurate punches that GGG was just taking on the noggin in typical GGG fashion. A boxing purist who isn’t emotionally involved would easily give those rounds to Canelo while others extoll the virtues of a jab. A jab is supposed to set up combinations. The only way to win a fight with a jab is to completely nullify any payback, à la GGG vs Lemieux. This was never the case…….

This.

118-110 was BS. If she scored 115-113 for Nelo, controversies would be much lesser. Nelo's performance was criminally underrated in the 1st bout. If you rewatch the fight without BS commentary and without BS slow motion shıt, Canelo had a case for draw and even win. He landed much cleaner shots and made GGG miss badly. It was sweet science. Nelo's problem was inactivity. He didn't let his hands for more shots because he overestimated GGG's power. Scared of potentially KO.

[Liondw]

I had Canelo the clear winner in a very close rematch.

I'm not sure if he can stop Golovkin, but I think he might put on a beating, if GGG fights Canelo in the form he showed against Murata.

[Smash]

Nelo's performance was criminally underrated in the 1st bout.

that view is not even backed up by boxrec, ggg outlanded nelo in 10 of the rounds, jabs and power punches in a lot of rounds too, i dont know one person who has ever made a case for nelo winning fight 1 in real life that is

[Silence]

that view is not even backed up by boxrec, ggg outlanded nelo in 10 of the rounds, jabs and power punches, i dont know one person who has ever made a case for nelo winning fight 1 in real life that is

Fight judgement is based on four things:

CLEAN PUNCHING
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship
DEFENSIVE SKILLS

I don't see "more punches" here. Nelo's punches were much more clean and eye-catching. If you count punches, you should also evaluate "punch accuracy". It's another thing Nelo edged.

115-113 GGG is good. 114-114 is good too. GGG was more active but didn't land many meaningful shots.

[Jab jab boom]

Oh but for 4 yrs canelo and his fans tried to pretend that he won in convincing and dominant fashion. That was a main reason why they said there was no need for a 3rd fight. They ignored that it was a split decision and had the judges correctly scored the 12th for ggg, it’d have been a draw. They ignored that of 50 press row scores, only 2 had canelo winning while the rest had ggg winning or a draw. But now we’ll get rhe 3rd fight when ggg is 40. Great.

[Smash]

Fight judgement is based on four things:

CLEAN PUNCHING
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship
DEFENSIVE SKILLS

I don't see "more punches" here. Nelo's punches were much more clean and eye-catching. If you count punches, you should also evaluate "punch accuracy". It's another thing Nelo edged.

115-113 GGG is good. 114-114 is good too. GGG was more active but didn't land many meaningful shots.

now u are going to make me rewatch the fights again as it has been awhile, they are due a rewatch actually, memories can fade and u do see things u missed before, i still think i will have it 1 all but im open to change

BUT i do remember thinking at the time that it would actually be impossible to give nelo 6 rounds in that fight, actually impossible

[War Room]

Lol 8-4 both fights eh? Smh. Next you are gonna tell me all the elite opponents GGG has faced throughout his “illustrious” career right? Like cmon. I’m from before these dudes both came up. I grew up watching tito trinidad de le Hoya hopkins ike quartey Fernando Vargas. See the thing about these guys is they all fought each other. That’s what made them great. GGG has not faced any elite fighters 154 to 168 his whole career. Well one. Canelo. 1 elite fighter his whole career. I’ll reel off the fights he ducked 1. Andre ward 2. BJS 3. Andrade 4. Charlo 5. Kovalev 6. Benevidez 7. Bivol 8. Ramirez 9. Beterbiev 10. Joe smith
that’s not even including Pavlik and taylor and hopkins all who were in the same division as him at one point. He waited for them to retire and move up and started calling out one legged verge of retirement Sergio Martinez and original 140 lbr verge of retirement Miguel cotto. Idiots on here calling him p4p lmao. He has refused to take ANY challenge his entire career. Even the canelo fights 1 and 2…canelo started his career at 140 lbs he moved up 20 lbs to challenge bumlovkin. He moved up to unify SMW.. bumlovkin refused to fight ward at 168 for years wouldn’t even do a catch weight. Canelo got a huge contract now his whole teams eats well. GGG got a big contract and fired his lifelong trainer cause he didn’t wanna pay him. Golovkin is a fraud in so many levels I don’t know why people cry about his losses like he was “robbed” especially the 2nd canelo fight that wasn’t very close. Canelos resume is light years better than gggs and he’s 10 years younger that’s pathetic

Like I said, I don't like GGG =---> mainly because his lack of resume. I agree with you about his resume, it sucks. Doesn't change the scorecards though. So go shake your head all you like and continue to DKSAB.

I grew up watching Leonard in the amateurs.

Canelo dropped belts to not fight GGG and when he had to he took steroids.

Canelo's resume has better names on it, but he should have 6 losses and since losing to GGG 2x, he's picked cherries for 95% of his fights, facts!

[JLC]

Two good fights. I thought Canelo def won the second fight and I thought GGG won the first. To each his own opinion but close fights aren’t robberies either way.

[Tibburon245]

It's hard to imagine Canelo losing this one. Why in F does GGG want this fight at 40--he thinks he can win? If Canelo does lose, he will be kicked off the P4P lists for sure.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Both were. Most people still voted that GGG won the 2nd one as well (7-5 in rounds, or draw).

And the first one... clear 8-4 fight for GGG.

People who thought G won the second were biased by the outcome of the first.

Canelo was walking that man down Mexican Style the vast majority of the fight.

To the point G's own trainer acknowledged it, which got him fired.