Canelo cherrypicking Bivol

[ramses07]

I personally think he underestimated him

He was literally swinging for the fences, that’s all he did

Bivol caught on, and it became an easy night for him

dont know if a more prepared canelo or diff game Plan changes anything

but I’ve seen canelo do better, even against Lara, it looked like he tried a lot more and understood the assignment

[-Kev-]

I personally think he underestimated him

He was literally swinging for the fences, that’s all he did

Bivol caught on, and it became an easy night for him

dont know if a more prepared canelo or diff game Plan changes anything

but I’ve seen canelo do better, even against Lara, it looked like he tried a lot more and understood the assignment

That could be the case but also Lara and Canelo were similar in almost all physical attributes and that was only Canelo’s 2nd weight class.

So, yeah. Lara is 3 weight classes below now. Size matters in boxing. Height, reach, natural weight. All of that has to be taken into consideration.

A lot of fans point to things like Bivol’s jab, footwork, etc. But what I saw was a good-sized Light-Heavyweight basically blocking everything Canelo threw, and not getting hurt by anything. Canelo couldn’t bully Bivol because Bivol is bigger than what he’s used to fighting. Didn’t matter if he was moving or stationary.

It’s like the prospect of GGG vs Ward at 168. Yes, Ward is more skilled than GGG (way more imo), and GGG was able to bully a lot of fighters at 160 with his power. But I doubt that would have been the case at 168 vs Ward. It would not have mattered if GGG and Ward both weighed 180lbs on fight night either. Ward was bigger, plain and simple. GGG would have been a MW coming up to SMW. He would have been the naturally smaller fighter. He could have even come in at 180lbs for some reason, and Ward rehydrates to 176-177. That still would not have made GGG the bigger fighter. Technically yeah, but realistically no.

Everyone is fixated on the unusually flabby Canelo coming in at 180lbs on fight night vs Bivol who says he weighed around 183lbs and that supposedly made them the same size. Even though Canelo is 5’7” and came from 154.

[paulf]

Completely true - people are saying it just to hate on Canelo.

I remember when Broner went up two weight classes to fight Malignaggi for his title, people said Broner was cherry picking him.

I remember asking at the time - If Ricky Burns, the other 135 champ, went up two weight classes to fight Malignaggi, would it be a cherry pick? No - because Burns wouldn't have even a slight chance of bearing Malginaggi.

So for Burns it would be a bold challenge, but for Borner it would be a cherry pick.

The reason for the double standard? People didn't like Broner.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Again, Canelo is a good fighter with manufactured resume. In reality he lost to GGG also.

His fake resume made you fans believe he would beat Bivol. Many of you also felt he should challenge Usyk lol.

So, yes, Bivol was seen as an easy fight in the eyes of Canelo`s team and Canelo`s fans.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I personally think he underestimated him

Lol, what an excuse.

Canelo was not that good as you wanted to believe and Bivol was better as you wanted to believe.

That is how it is.

[Hustle]

Let’s be honest here…You have to be an amazing fighter to come up from 154 where you win your first championship, climb to 160, 168, and finally 175 and “cherrypick” Dmitry Bivol.

Imagine if more fighters cherrypicked like Canelo? That’s pretty ambitious.

No one else from 154 to 175 would be accused of cherrypicking Dmitry Bivol. Even if they admit that they thought they could beat him over Beterbiev. No one in their right mind would accuse any other fighter from 154 to 175 of cherrypicking Bivol.

Canelo has very high standards of cherrypicking.

Usyk thought he could beat AJ, he was adamant about fighting him as soon as he came up to HW and got a couple of fights. Usyk cherrypicked AJ.

I have heard of fighters “cherrypicking” fighters below them, like Mayweather-JMM, DLH-Pacquiao. But wow, to cherrypick a top 2 undefeated fighter who campaigns at the weight class above yours, Canelo is has to be an amazing fighter.

I mean Beterbiev can come out and say, right now, that he is fighting Smith Jr because he thinks he can beat him. And nobody would care that a top 3 fighter thinks he can cherrypick a top 3 fighter of his weight class. Everyone is happy and excited about the fight next Saturday (I know I am).

Nobody cared that Usyk was saying he can beat AJ, it wasn’t a cherrypick.

But wow man, Canelo thought he could beat Bivol, he picked Bivol because he thought he could beat him. Shame on that confident cherrypicker, picking on top 2 Light Heavyweights like Kovalev and Bivol. And the audacity for Canelo to tell Hearn that he’s interested in Artur Beterbiev. Another cherrypick.

Boxers should grow some balls and fight fighters they think they can’t beat. Canelo should call out Tyson Fury after GGG III and Bivol II, win or lose. For god’s sake, fight someone you know you can’t beat Canelo. You boxing disgrace.

He already had his next fight set for after Bivol. That means bivol was supposed to be easy work.

The only time a fighter announces 2 fights at once is when the first fight is a tune up.

Canelo got it wrong. He thought bivol would be as easy as the last 5 pale faces he fought in a row.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Throwing stones from a glass house.

Kovalev was Ring #2 ranked at 175.

Felix Diaz, Kell Brook, Jose Benavidez, John Molina Jr, and Amir Khan however, they were not ranked in the top 10 at 140-147 by any boxing publications when Crawford fought them.

In the last 5 years, the guy you consider the best P4P fighter, has fought 4 Ring top 10 fighters:

Porter
Kavaliaskous
Horn
Indongo

In the same span, Canelo has fought 7:

Bivol
Plant
Saunders
Smith
Kovalev
Jacobs
GGG

No dirty tricks needed to show who fights the tougher fighters and who is the real cherrypicker. If Canelo was the cherrypicker some of his critics claim he is, he would be in Crawford’s spot right now.

Who cares what Kovalev was ranked.

Andrade, Charlo, Bud, Spence, any one of those guys could beat the version of Kovalev that showed up that day. Weight drained, coming off of a brutal beating with no rest.

The only reason canelo even got that fight is because of white privilege and financial privilege.

Answer me this, do you think if Andrade had sent an offer to fight Kovalev the day after the yard fight, said fight me in 2 months with a rehydration clause and other stipulations, that kovaelv would have said yes? Of course he wouldn't. Kovalev was only willing to fight canelo under those conditions because of his financial privilege. Stacking the deck to reduce Kovaelv's chances of winning. So much honor and greatness in that..

A clean win over Felix Diaz is far more impressive than a win over a guy who you have to stack the deck as much as possible to beat and that's a fact.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Terence Crawford:

1) Never once fought a weaker opponent when there were other stronger opponents clamoring for a fight with him

2) Never once used catchweight, rehydration clauses, stipulations, or other tools to stack the deck in order to lessen the chances of his opponent winnng

3) Never moved up in weight strategically to avoid stronger comp in his own weight class. He jumped up to 147 from 140 because there was a MORE DANGEROUS man there, Errol Spence. Canelo only jumps up in weight to run away from stronger comp. The facts are he did it at 154, did it at 160, and now he did it again at 168 to avoid Benavidez.

These are the traits of a true champ who fights with honor.

[j0zef]

Canelo had dangerous opponents with perfect credentials he could have fought - Benavidez, Beterbiev, Ramirez, GGG, even Charlo. Instead, Canelo picked fighters who may have outboxed him, but they weren't dangerous.

Bivol, Plant, BJS, Yildrim, Smith, Jacobs, Fielding

They're all boxers with ~50% KO ratio. Over the past 10 years, Canelo has fought 2 dangerous punchers. Kov was 36 coming off 2 KO losses against pillowfisters, and after having 2 tough fights against Golovkin he waited for G to hit 40 before booking the 3rd fight. In their history, you can see Reynoso doing everything possible to avoid Golovkin, from Caneloweight, to giving up the belt, etc.


Canelo has been very carefully managed for 10 years. He gets judges in his pocket, and fights a boxer instead of a dangerous, exciting opponent. That is Canelo's version of "Cherrypick". He's openly stated that's what he learned from the Floyd fight - that he needs to stack the odds in his favor, and he's been doing that ever since.

[jmrf4435]

You canelo fans have all these dirty tricks to hype up his overrated resume. Kovalev was no top LHW, and if he was, he fought canelo in a a severely weakened condition with a rehydration clause and no rest after a brutal beatdown from yards.

he KO'd yards with a jab