Comments Thread For: Canelo's Stumble Shakes Up The Pound-For-Pound Opinions

[P to the J]

Admit it, you, me and 80% of everyone involved in boxing thought Canelo was gonna walk through Bivol.

I hadn’t watched much of Bivol till a night before the fight, but when I did, I acquired info that all the hardcores round here were already cognizant of.
Plenty of guys correctly called it. The only people that didn’t are those who have only watched Canelo out of the 2.

[Raggamuffin]

Depends on how you look at it. H2H wins count big too.

If Bivol was already in the top 10 you’d have a case. You can’t jump him over fighters who have been in the top 10.

[just the facts]

I hadn’t watched much of Bivol till a night before the fight, but when I did, I acquired info that all the hardcores round here were already cognizant of.
Plenty of guys correctly called it. The only people that didn’t are those who have only watched Canelo out of the 2.

6-1 underdog but all of the hard cores knew Bivol would win. Got it………..

[Raggamuffin]

Admit it, you, me and 80% of everyone involved in boxing thought Canelo was gonna walk through Bivol.

Admit it? If they asked you to bet your life that Canelo would win you’d be dead and I’d be alive. I’m in that 20%. Bivol was a live dog……it’s just that YOU and the 80% you mentioned didn’t know it!

[just the facts]

If Bivol was already in the top 10 you’d have a case. You can’t jump him over fighters who have been in the top 10.

When you score a landslide victory (crooked scorecards be damned) you can. H2H (especially that big) count too.

[P to the J]

It's been quite the few weeks in boxing lately. A heavyweight champion winning and (probably not) retiring. A pay-per-view star climbing the ladder for another title and falling hard. And two welterweights who've shared title status for years finally making it sound as if a showdown is what both of them actually want.
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I love Golovkin, but I don’t think he should even be in the 10, and neither am I ever really sure why Spence is in the list. Crawford’s too high, and Fury’s definitely too high. He’s beaten two fighters of its, one of whom couldn’t actually box, but still…

Warming to the idea of Usyk no.1, but really these lists are indeed ******, as others have said.

[just the facts]

Admit it? If they asked you to bet your life that Canelo would win you’d be dead and I’d be alive. I’m in that 20%. Bivol was a live dog……it’s just that YOU and the 80% you mentioned didn’t know it!

So you, being the self proclaimed expert you are, knew Bivol was gonna win? You sure were quiet about it.

[P to the J]

6-1 underdog but all of the hard cores knew Bivol would win. Got it………..

Well, what if the hardcores weren’t betting to affect the result?

I haven’t made any kind of bet in 5 years! Still called Bivol to win, and I made sure I got those comments on boxing scene threads before the fight started, where I saw others saying the same thing.

Guessing most high stakes gamblers don’t know ****, but who knows?

[Ravensfan]

Canelo lost to GGG first fight beat him the 2nd imo. He has 3 clear losses - Floyd, GGG and Bivol - but he has tested himself more than the other fighters on the list.

My P4P list is based on who has tested themselves the most. This means clearing up a weight division and then moving up and beating a champ or top contenders or just plain taking difficult fights. This makes it difficult for HWs to get a decent shake so they get a shout-out depending on how they dominate. Lack of recent momentum sees a fall in rank.

A note on all this 'if they were all at the same weight speculation' - if you put Fury at 147 does he suddenly become some slick boxer, better mover than Crawford? How do you even figure that out? If you put Inoue at HW does he remain a monster there - I can't even get my head around that. This way of measuring P4P is just way way too subjective. Better to figure out who has best resumes (proven) and then possibly go by skills and eyeball test for unproven fighters.

1/ Canelo - At 154 fought Lara, Mayweather and Trout. At 160 Golovkin twice and Jacobs. Cleared out a weak 168 (but nobody else did or even tried) Took on former but faded champ Kov and top 2 champ Bivol
2/ Crawford - 135 he was a weight bully but at 140 he unified. At 147 he hasn't dominated but he has beaten competent fighters and a still very good Porter.
3/ Usyk - cleared out a very good CW division and then beat unified champ Joshua which is something as people forget when he moved up to HW most said he was too small.
4/ Inoue - Champ at 108, 112 and now 118 plus he took on Donaire and beat him - Donaire is HOF already.
5/ Jermell - has unified a very competitive JMW division. A loss and a draw but he has avenged them emphatically
6/ Spence - he has beaten all the best fighters at 147 bar Bud. And more importantly looked great doing so.
7/ Lomachenko - best weight is 130 but his win over Gary Russell at 126 is underrated. At 135 he is fighting at a weight where he is physically compromised.
8/ Fury - he took on the boogeyman at HW and beat him 3 times in 2 different styles. The same boogeyman who some said was the hardest hitting boxer ever.
9/ Josh Taylor - unified, or was until a week ago or so but though he beat Ramirez and Prograis they were close fights and he lost to Caterall
10/ Shakur - based on win over a good Valdez and mostly obvious skills - nobody beats him at 130 and possibly 135. Ennis is elite but I can't say he'd def. beat all at 147.

An enjoyable read. Thank you!

[Luilun]

Crawford should be 5 Canelo 2 Crawford best win is Porter