Comments Thread For: Canelo's Stumble Shakes Up The Pound-For-Pound Opinions

[TheCell8]

You mean because HWs are slow and ponderous? But welterweights make LHWs look less skilled. Jermell Charlo is not as fast on his feet as fighters like Chocolatito, Estrada and Loma.

Yes. They're not skilled. Also, Charlo shouldn't be ranked ahead of those fighters but he definitely should be ranked ahead of Fury.

[TheCell8]

Lomo should take on Fury then according to your logic. He could just dance around and outbox him. This is comical - heavyweights can beat anyone in any division, thus why the heavyweight champ is always regarded as the baddest mf er on the planet . I’m not a Fury fan but he beat the 2nd best heavyweight and it’s exactly why he is retiring. No one would even watch him fight Usyk it would be a waste of his time

Yea, because they're 100 lbs heavier than everyone else. We're talking about P4P here. A 135 version of Fury is barely a top 10 fighter in that weight class.

[SteveM]

Yes. They're not skilled. Also, Charlo shouldn't be ranked ahead of those fighters but he definitely should be ranked ahead of Fury.

Thats the thing though - Hws being slow and ponderous and all things being equal, IF you imagine a fighter like Fury with all his skills but without all the weight , somehow miraculously shrivelled down to welterweight dimensions but same proportions as he is now - wouldn't he speed up a bit and zip around the ring a bit faster?

For me, that is difficult to imagine so I like to go by resume and the eye test. I don't think Charlo has the same skills as Chocolatito or Loma. He's more on the same level as Nonito Donaire - but then there are hidden qualities like grit and desire and Charlo has those in abundance.

[Raggamuffin]

When you score a landslide victory (crooked scorecards be damned) you can. H2H (especially that big) count too.

Not in this case. Sorry… Tarver thought the same thing.

[eco1]

1/ Canelo - At 154 fought and Lost to Lara, Lost to Mayweather and Trout. At 160 Lost to Golovkin twice .
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ok, if you say so.

[Doubledagger]

Yall left Jermell Charlo and Tank off the list. Yall list is garbage. Jermell has beaten everyone in his division and unified. GGG has done nothing but avoid Jermall charlo and Andrade. GGG could of unified in the last 4 years but he didn't because he knows Andrade or Charlo could beat him. When you really study GGG he never fought slick fighters. Yes he is powerful but his handlers were worried about him getting his head boxed off.

Tank aint done shieet but be protected and cherry pick his entire career.

Jermell should definitely be on the list though, and in the top 5 too, not just top 10.

Winner of Kambosis vs Haney must be in the top 5 too.

[P to the J]

In a previous post you admitted that you had not watched much of Bivol, yet you picked him to win. Damn, I guess, despite Canelo being a 6-1 favorite and there being numerous threads about how easily Canelo would win, I’m the only person alive that thought Canelo would win? Bu!!shyte!

Yeah, I hadn’t, but then I also said I ended up picking Bivol because I’d watched some of his fights the night before and changed my prediction. I mean, this is not really an implausible set of events to report.

I’m sorry you were wrong, but that’s just how it goes. I called Spence-Ugas and Murata-Golovkin wrong on here pre-fight, and said Whyte would give a far better account of himself than he would. But so what? You get some wrong, and when I call it right, I’ll crow about it day and night.

[SteveM]

ok, if you say so.

thats disingenious - what's your game? That's not what I said. Fake quotation and fake posting. Fugh off. Contribute your own top ten P4P - contribute something instead of mis-quoting people.

[just the facts]

Yeah, I hadn’t, but then I also said I ended up picking Bivol because I’d watched some of his fights the night before and changed my prediction. I mean, this is not really an implausible set of events to report.

I’m sorry you were wrong, but that’s just how it goes. I called Spence-Ugas and Murata-Golovkin wrong on here pre-fight, and said Whyte would give a far better account of himself than he would. But so what? You get some wrong, and when I call it right, I’ll crow about it day and night.

So you’re one of small percentage that picked Bivol to win. You sure were quite about it. You picked Ugas over Spence? Murata over ggg? Are you one of those d bags who picks the huge underdog so on that very rare occasion you’re right, you can say “I told you so”?

[P to the J]

So you’re one of small percentage that picked Bivol to win. You sure were quite about it. You picked Ugas over Spence? Murata over ggg? Are you one of those d bags who picks the huge underdog so on that very rare occasion you’re right, you can say “I told you so”?

Hahaha. I think you might have nailed it there, but I do occasionally pick the favourite.

Even though I don’t rate him as a boxer, I have never picked against Wilder apart from vs. Fury. Picked against Joshua just twice: Usyk and Klitschko. Have never picked against Loma, Crawford, and never picked against Spence apart from vs. Ugas. Even called him to beat Brook, when my fellow brits weren’t sure.