Watching GGG-Murata, I don't see how that was a bad performance from GGG

[NachoMan]

He can't pull the trigger...but he lands more punches vs Murata than Canelo threw vs Saunders. And throws 400 more than Canelo threw. It's like there is no good analysis on this site.

Not exactly. Canelo is and always has been way more selective with his punches than GGG. I think any objective fans acknowledges that the current version of GGG is measurably diminished from the version that fought Canelo twice. Murata fought bravely and was overall better than I expected, but GGG from a few years ago would have Steve Rolled him. GGG got hit way too easily by Murata and many shots were hurting him. GGG also missed so many opportunities to attack Murata's body. I think its mostly ring rust, but he is definitely not close to prime GGG right now.

[GhostofDempsey]

It was a good win and good performance for him at 40 years old and coming off a 15 month payoff. That said, he looked somewhat stiff, and almost a bit muscle-bound. A little thicker in the torso and slower of foot. I don't see a third fight with Canelo being nearly as competitive as the first two, which I felt GGG won. He should either retire on top, or pursue a lucrative exhibition with one of the Paul brothers or McGregor.

[Boxing-1013]

It's also important to consider that GGG's diminished stamina and punch resistance could be more attributable to his time away than his age. Sure, age is a factor, but its reasonable to believe that GGG will be sharper all around in his next fight now that he is fighting again. We'll see.

True, I think a lot of it had to do with the pace of the early rounds too. They were very high output rounds where Murata was pushing the pace.

[Boxing-1013]

Not exactly. Canelo is and always has been way more selective with his punches than GGG. I think any objective fans acknowledges that the current version of GGG is measurably diminished from the version that fought Canelo twice. Murata fought bravely and was overall better than I expected, but GGG from a few years ago would have Steve Rolled him. GGG got hit way too easily by Murata and many shots were hurting him. GGG also missed so many opportunities to attack Murata's body. I think its mostly ring rust, but he is definitely not close to prime GGG right now.

Canelo is more selective, in large part because he doesn't have the gas tank of someone like GGG. He has to be selective with his punches.

GGG did Steve Rolls him. Rolls, like nearly every other GGG opponent, landed some shots on GGG too. At no point in the Murata fight did I say 'oh man Murata is really taking it to him' - evidence of that maybe is that GGG still outlanded Murata in every round.

Obviously at age 40, he isn't what he was. But the point of the thread was that the success Murata had wasn't really that great, and any success was mainly a result of the pace of the fight, which Canelo-GGG won't be fought at.

If GGG dictates the pace, it will be slightly lower output than that, but again, at GGG's pace.

If Canelo dictates the pace, it will be significantly lower output than Murata GGG or Sergei GGG.

GGG will be vulnerable early; GGG's age combined with Canelo's freshness and youth early on in fights will net-net lean in Canelo's favor.

People on here don't seem to be aware of one of the main rules in boxing - styles make fights. This fight with Murata tells us little about how GGG-Canelo 3 will go. Everything we thought before, is basically the same still.

[MulaKO]

So, no speed, couldn't fight on back foot, very predictable, only was taking punches - yet he outlanded Murata quite handily in EVERY round lol.

Murata gave it away because he took an absolute beating in pretty much every round. After 4 or so rounds he was just going on fumes. The inability to see stuff like that, leaves someone very surprised when the final result happens.

'How did my guy lose' they ask lol. It's like when people were surprised Canelo KOd Saunders lol. It was obvious Canelo was just beating on him and it was a matter of time.

GGG is 40 and Canelo could certainly hurt him to the body. But most people on here have no idea how to analyze fights and fighters to be honest. Just a lot of parroting what they hear and not understanding what they are seeing.

Thats exactly how i felt when you were breaking down the fight
So , cause one guy lands more punches he wins according to your analysis , automatically
Have you ever seen Murata fight before , not just one fight where you can’t gather much
Starts well and by the midway he’s done , slows the fugh down and his shots become very soft
Had it been anybody with power , GGG would not have lasted longer than five rounds
He was squirming like he had to take a chit , those elbows nice and low out of fear of getting more shots to the body
I now you’re a big GGG fan but let’s face it , he’s there , the end is very near
Canelo , will destroy him in five rounds ( I’m not a Canelo fan by any means ) , he reminds me of Kovi
Anyways , I had Murata 3 out of the first 5 rounds
Don’t care if GGG got in more punches or not


We can wager on GGG vs Canelo
It would be free money imo , like I said he’ll get knocked out by the 5th max the 6th
Unless Canelo decides to carry him like he did with Kovi but don’t think that will be the case here

[MulaKO]

Canelo is more selective, in large part because he doesn't have the gas tank of someone like GGG. He has to be selective with his punches.

GGG did Steve Rolls him. Rolls, like nearly every other GGG opponent, landed some shots on GGG too. At no point in the Murata fight did I say 'oh man Murata is really taking it to him' - evidence of that maybe is that GGG still outlanded Murata in every round.

Obviously at age 40, he isn't what he was. But the point of the thread was that the success Murata had wasn't really that great, and any success was mainly a result of the pace of the fight, which Canelo-GGG won't be fought at.

If GGG dictates the pace, it will be slightly lower output than that, but again, at GGG's pace.

If Canelo dictates the pace, it will be significantly lower output than Murata GGG or Sergei GGG.

GGG will be vulnerable early; GGG's age combined with Canelo's freshness and youth early on in fights will net-net lean in Canelo's favor.

People on here don't seem to be aware of one of the main rules in boxing - styles make fights. This fight with Murata tells us little about how GGG-Canelo 3 will go. Everything we thought before, is basically the same still.

Dude I keep reading some of the chit you writing and i think YOU are the one who needs some kind of refresher course or something

Styles do make fights but realize that GGG’s style has tremendously changed , not to add that he has a new trainer who’s trying different things with him

Canelo hasn’t changed and will be much stronger at 168

Canelo in the 5th by a crucially brutal body shot

[MulaKO]

By the way , notice you are arguing the same chit with 5/6 people but yet you say we don’t know how to score a fight

Maybe start looking in the mirror

[Boxing-1013]

Thats exactly how i felt when you were breaking down the fight
So , cause one guy lands more punches he wins according to your analysis , automatically
Have you ever seen Murata fight before , not just one fight where you can’t gather much
Starts well and by the midway he’s done , slows the fugh down and his shots become very soft
Had it been anybody with power , GGG would not have lasted longer than five rounds
He was squirming like he had to take a chit , those elbows nice and low out of fear of getting more shots to the body
I now you’re a big GGG fan but let’s face it , he’s there , the end is very near
Canelo , will destroy him in five rounds ( I’m not a Canelo fan by any means ) , he reminds me of Kovi
Anyways , I had Murata 3 out of the first 5 rounds
Don’t care if GGG got in more punches or not


We can wager on GGG vs Canelo
It would be free money imo , like I said he’ll get knocked out by the 5th max the 6th
Unless Canelo decides to carry him like he did with Kovi but don’t think that will be the case here

You could argue for Murata winning rounds 2 and 3. Anything else is crazy lol. Giving him 1 of those 2 is probably most fair anyway.

And yes punches landed are a HUGE factor for who wins a round, though it isn't everything. When you land hard with every shot as GGG does, it does become even more of a determinant for who will win a round.

Kov lasted 11 rounds with Canelo. You're saying Canelo will destroy GGG in 5 yet you compare him to Kov lol.

Oh so he carried Kov, yeah brilliant stuff there. Fighters carry guys all the time huh.

OK well if you want to bet that Canelo KOs GGG in 5 rounds I'll gladly take that bet. That is certainly a possible outcome but I'll take the odds on that one. Let me know what you want to bet.

Also let me know if you need any more help in analyzing fights. Here's a tip - it helps to watch them and score them without the sound on. The announcers are often terrible and very reactionary. Especially in high volume fights, it can lead to them making premature comments on some rounds.

I respect what GGG has done in his career but I don't give 2 sh.its about any fighter as far as analyzing what they are or what they've done. If you don't understand that styles make fights at this point then there is no hope for you.

If and when GGG gives Canelo a very tough fight, especially down the stretch if they fight, maybe that will humble you a little bit. You definitely need it.

[Boxing-1013]

By the way , notice you are arguing the same chit with 5/6 people but yet you say we don’t know how to score a fight

Maybe start looking in the mirror

It could be 100 people, it doesn't matter. If you are all saying the same wrong things, and I point that out, that's on you, not me.

My points have been very clear so far. If you can't understand it, boxing analysis just isn't for you. Not being rude just how it is.

[Boxing-1013]

Thats exactly how i felt when you were breaking down the fight
So , cause one guy lands more punches he wins according to your analysis , automatically
Have you ever seen Murata fight before , not just one fight where you can’t gather much
Starts well and by the midway he’s done , slows the fugh down and his shots become very soft
Had it been anybody with power , GGG would not have lasted longer than five rounds
He was squirming like he had to take a chit , those elbows nice and low out of fear of getting more shots to the body
I now you’re a big GGG fan but let’s face it , he’s there , the end is very near
Canelo , will destroy him in five rounds ( I’m not a Canelo fan by any means ) , he reminds me of Kovi
Anyways , I had Murata 3 out of the first 5 rounds
Don’t care if GGG got in more punches or not


We can wager on GGG vs Canelo
It would be free money imo , like I said he’ll get knocked out by the 5th max the 6th
Unless Canelo decides to carry him like he did with Kovi but don’t think that will be the case here

I mentioned GGG outlanding Murata in every round, in response to the guy who said GGG was gunshy, getting hit at will, couldn't fight on the back foot, slow etc.

I didn't make mention of him winning rounds, even though he did in this instance.

Why are you trying to conflate the two? Are you ignorant or trying to be a little weasel?