Fighters who most threw away their career?

[M312]

what does outboxing even mean? ggg was bashing him up the entire fight, where was this outboxing? can it be defined? if you are smashing me over and over with clean punches im probably not outboxing you but then again if i say i am maybe i am?

It should have been a total mismatch and Kell made GGG look lost in there at times. He resorted to just plowing forward when he realised he could take Kells power (being that he was much bigger). But if Kell had the power at 160 - that would've been a horrible fight for GGG, he was getting countered badly, it just never hurt him.

I think it's fair to say that has more to do with the chin of GGG, but the skill was with one man, and that was Kell.

[kafkod]

what does outboxing even mean? ggg was bashing him up the entire fight, where was this outboxing? can it be defined? if you are smashing me over and over with clean punches im probably not outboxing you but then again if i say i am maybe i am?

Kell also did his share of bashing up in that fight. He almost lifted GGG's feet clear off the canvas with one fantastic uppercut that would probably have decked anyone but Golovkin.

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It should have been a total mismatch and Kell made GGG look lost in there at times. He resorted to just plowing forward when he realised he could take Kells power (being that he was much bigger). But if Kell had the power at 160 - that would've been a horrible fight for GGG, he was getting countered badly, it just never hurt him.

I think it's fair to say that has more to do with the chin of GGG, but the skill was with one man, and that was Kell.

and ggg made brook lost at times, lost and hurt, and punched him a lot

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Kell also did his share of bashing up in that fight. He almost lifted GGG's feet clear off the canvas with one fantastic uppercut that would probably have decked anyone but Golovkin.

yeah that was nice, but brook only won 1 round and it was a nip and tuck type of round where they went to battle. i dont know if thats the outboxing people are referring to? i guess any moment where ggg wasnt punching brook in the face was a moment brook was outboxing ggg, weren't many of those but ok he did it?

[kafkod]

It should have been a total mismatch and Kell made GGG look lost in there at times. He resorted to just plowing forward when he realised he could take Kells power (being that he was much bigger). But if Kell had the power at 160 - that would've been a horrible fight for GGG, he was getting countered badly, it just never hurt him.

I think it's fair to say that has more to do with the chin of GGG, but the skill was with one man, and that was Kell.

The size disparity was not that great. As I mentioned in a previous comment, Brook was heavier than GGG at the fight day weight checks.

There was no reason to believe it should have been any more of a mismatch than GGG vs anybody in his own division. He was smashing them all up at that point in his career, and the history of boxing is replete with examples of WW champs stepping up and giving the MW champ all he could handle.

[kafkod]

yeah that was nice, but brook only won 1 round and it was a nip and tuck type of round where they went to battle. i dont know if thats the outboxing people are referring to? i guess any moment where ggg wasnt punching brook in the face was a moment brook was outboxing ggg, weren't many of those but ok he did it?

Brook may have only won one round, but he was competitive and landing good, clean punches in all of them ... until GGG broke his face.

[Guest]

He did, to be fair, give GGG a bloody nose.

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Brook may have only won one round, but he was competitive and landing good, clean punches in all of them ... until GGG broke his face.

he got wobbled badly in the first, dropped in the third(ref was a dolt) and the 4th was a pretty clear domination with brook in survival mode. he did land punches along the way but it wasnt that competitive when you look at the big moments in the fight

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He did, to be fair, give GGG a bloody nose.

that was uncalled for

[M312]

The size disparity was not that great. As I mentioned in a previous comment, Brook was heavier than GGG at the fight day weight checks.

There was no reason to believe it should have been any more of a mismatch than GGG vs anybody in his own division. He was smashing them all up at that point in his career, and the history of boxing is replete with examples of WW champs stepping up and giving the MW champ all he could handle.

He jumped up 2 divisions. He was much smaller. That's simply not a debate.

Nobody thought it was a good idea him taking this fight.