Joshua is good, but nothing like a Lewis.

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  • buddyr
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    #11
    Originally posted by Nash out
    Let's be honest the older generation gets overhyped. The reality with Lewis is he was 1-1 with McCall, 1-1 with Rahman, lost in his prime to a finished Mercer (robbery) beat the shell of the ghost of Mike Tyson, and went 1-1-0 with Holyfield who lost tons of fights to mediocre opposition, then took an absolute pasting from Vitali, but got very fortunate with the lucky cut. Cuts are just luck and by chance if we are honest. Quality operator, but those acting like he'd be levels above today are kidding themselves. Any of today's top 10 HW's could on their day beat him. Nash out.
    those guys would have beat Joshua too hahahhaa. You're acting like they're bums. Mccall sparred hundreds of rounds with Tyson and never dropped. What makes you think Joshua walks thru him?

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      #12
      Originally posted by buddyr

      those guys would have beat Joshua too hahahhaa. You're acting like they're bums. Mccall sparred hundreds of rounds with Tyson and never dropped. What makes you think Joshua walks thru him?
      That's not what I think, but Joshua also could win and lose to those guys. The results I pinpointed were prime Lewis, and they suggest he is not the unbeatable force many believe him to be. Nash out.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Nash out

        That's not what I think, but Joshua also could win and lose to those guys. The results I pinpointed were prime Lewis, and they suggest he is not the unbeatable force many believe him to be. Nash out.
        Lewis definitely wasn't an unbeatable force. I don't know who thinks that. But Joshua wouldn't do it.

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          #14
          Originally posted by PBR Streetgang

          I agree he stretches AJ. I think he beats Wilder (I don't recall Tua ever being hurt in a fight) but may have issues with Fury's size, range and movement.
          Tua was strong, fearsome, and all the good things people remember about him. But he lacked imagination at times, and would lose steam if he wasn't connecting. I saw him as a Tony Galento who was less busy. That's not an insult.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

            Tua was strong, fearsome, and all the good things people remember about him. But he lacked imagination at times, and would lose steam if he wasn't connecting. I saw him as a Tony Galento who was less busy. That's not an insult.
            I just remember Tua as a hard-hitting, durable, but ultimately stiff plodder. Don't get why he's even mentioned these days tbh. Nash out.

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              #16
              AJ would be damn lucky to go 5 rounds against Lewis. Better boxer and bigger puncher.

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                #17
                outside of the most diehard Joshua & Matchroom fans, I think the majority of boxing fans & writers now agree that Joshua was a marketing job, he's a decent HW in this weak era but he should never have been considered a potential ATG.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Nash out

                  I just remember Tua as a hard-hitting, durable, but ultimately stiff plodder. Don't get why he's even mentioned these days tbh. Nash out.
                  I think there were two versions of Tua. Earlier in his career, when he was about 225lbs, he was more aggressive and explosive. Him and Ibeabuchi threw nonstop leather with bad intentions for 12 rounds.

                  As his weight began drifting up, Tua fought with a more lethargic pace and really just plodded around. He wasn't the same threat as he once was.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by PBR Streetgang

                    I think there were two versions of Tua. Earlier in his career, when he was about 225lbs, he was more aggressive and explosive. Him and Ibeabuchi threw nonstop leather with bad intentions for 12 rounds.

                    As his weight began drifting up, Tua fought with a more lethargic pace and really just plodded around. He wasn't the same threat as he once was.
                    Maybe so, but there's nothing to suggest he'd be anything more than a contender today. And Ike, is widely rated on what could/may have been, rather than what was. Of course, a shame how things worked out for him, but just like Tyson's prison stint, we'll just never know, yet too many people give him an automatic pass with the he would have done this, and he would have done that, but the fact remains, he didn't.

                    I've said before, and fully believe that modern fighters are held to impossible standards in situations when older fighters got a pass. I mean, we all know the stick Frazier would get today for being knocked down about 10 times in 2 rounds vs Foreman, but cause it's olden era, he gets a pass. Nash out.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Nash out
                      Let's be honest the older generation gets overhyped. The reality with Lewis is he was 1-1 with McCall, 1-1 with Rahman, lost in his prime to a finished Mercer (robbery) beat the shell of the ghost of Mike Tyson, and went 1-1-0 with Holyfield who lost tons of fights to mediocre opposition, then took an absolute pasting from Vitali, but got very fortunate with the lucky cut. Cuts are just luck and by chance if we are honest. Quality operator, but those acting like he'd be levels above today are kidding themselves. Any of today's top 10 HW's could on their day beat him. Nash out.
                      At last, the truth. Lest one forgets, he was also being soundly beaten by Frank Bruno before a Hail Mary punch saved him.

                      Lewis' best win is the Ruddock knockout, when the latter had already been softened by Tyson. Enough said.

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