De La Hoya: "Mayweather Has To Win By Knockout"

[jrosales13]

We agree what size he will be on fight night.

Floyd wants to fight in a glamour division, and he perceives 147 -"welterweight" - to be that. Because Floyd and Roger are historians of the sport, they attribute greater cachet to the classic divisions. That is why you keep hearing Floyd mindlessly repeating "this is a welterweight fight" whenever he is asked about the catchweight. In fact, he won't even publicly admit to the catchweight.

He is obsessed with legacy, and the x number of weight classes he has claimed in y number of years.

There is no cachet in moving down in weight.

Ok good point. Now about his legacy. Wouldn't it help his legacy more and look more impressive if he beats JMM at 140 instead of 144? How do you think JMM legs look at 135? At what 135 who carried the weight better? Who do you think would carry the 144 weight better between the 2?

[Al Haymon]

Ok good point. Now about his legacy. Wouldn't it help his legacy more and look more impressive if he beats JMM at 140 instead of 144? How do you think JMM legs look at 135? At what 135 who carried the weight better? Who do you think would carry the 144 weight better between the 2?

I think a guy with 50 fights who fought most of his career at FW/SFW is on the downside anyway.

But i offset that with what i think will be a rusty FMJ coming from a layoff.

He COULD have taken Steve Forbes or Antonio Diaz.

[Al Haymon]

Ok good point. Now about his legacy. Wouldn't it help his legacy more and look more impressive if he beats JMM at 140 instead of 144? How do you think JMM legs look at 135? At what 135 who carried the weight better? Who do you think would carry the 144 weight better between the 2?

Between the 2, i think PBF will carry the 144 far better. From what i saw tonite when floyd was running and shadowboxing, his body looks good and he looks athletic.

But that isn't really a fair comparison. floyd would be more athletic than JMM at any weight.

Just like Roy Jones' body looks good at any weight. Even though Tarver is the naturally bigger man, Roy just LOOKS sharper than Tarver. Nahmean?

[bigdaddysback]

Oscar needs to shut the **** up and stop commenting on Floyd, jealous ****!

[jrosales13]

Between the 2, i think PBF will carry the 144 far better. From what i saw tonite when floyd was running and shadowboxing, his body looks good and he looks athletic.

But that isn't really a fair comparison. floyd would be more athletic than JMM at any weight.

Just like Roy Jones' body looks good at any weight. Even though Tarver is the naturally bigger man, Roy just LOOKS sharper than Tarver. Nahmean?

So at 144 you agree Mayweather carries the 144 weight beter. And, I agree and the reason I think he does is cuz he is the bigger man. He has the weight advantage. That is why the weight should be an issue. However, I am with you I think the layoff should be discussed just as much as the weight. Especially with somebody like Floyd who depends so much on his speed, on his timing, on his rythym, and on being able judge the space and distance. He might be rusty. So it might take a few rounds so the rust could come off, it might take a couple more rounds to adjust to JMM, and then it might take even couple more rounds to finally get in his rythym. And, by the time he is where he wants to be. A very good fighter like JMM might some rounds in the bank where PBF would need a KO or it will be a close decision for either fight maybe even controversial. And, I don't think a close decision helps Floyd.

And, I can tell you are a Mayweather fan and you got knowledge. I respect that. And, I am enjoying this debate with you. A lot of Mayweather nuthuggers don't have knowledge and is annoying talking about boxing with them. You in the other hand come with good points and good examples.

[pugay_kamay]

A win is a win, by KO or by Decision! ODLH knows that JMM way to win will be by decision but he knows at the same time that this is a very slim chance considering PBF technical skills in counter-punching, and he is remarkably better than JMM on this field. So ODLH chided PBF to come up by KO for an impressive win so that he would become aggressive for KO and JMM would left as the one solely fighting as counter-puncher. In this scenario in ODLH mind, would be the same as Pac-JMM to where it was Pac was the aggressive and JMM was the counter-puncher, and since he believes that JMM won both fights with Pac, JMM would have also the edge of fighting PBF if PBF becomes the aggressive one.

Well, PBF is a wise guy, he would toy JMM smartly in what he knows his advantage game, by KO or by decision and he would just shrugged what ODLH said!

Quite interesting observation and it makes a lot of sense, given the fact that both fighters are counter-punchers, the only difference is that PBF is more technically skilled than JMM.

Co-sign!

[Vasyl’s dad]

oscar is right. if floyd can't KO a dude coming up 2 weight divisions, that ****in sad. same thing for cotto. both floyd and cotto need to win by KO or be forever shamed.

My thoughts exactly.

[Vasyl’s dad]

So he put on 9lbs in 24 hrs. FMJ walks around at 150 and the most he has ever came in to a fight is 149. So if JMM plans on weighing in @ 142 by fight night he will be roughly 150 so the weight will be even at least. Maybe you would have a point if you said the extra weight will make JMM even slower. But even if they fought when Floyd was 130 or 135, Jr. still waxes his ass...

When Floyd was at 130 and 135 up until 2003,

Marquez was 126 up until two years ago.

Floyd has always been naturally bigger, so I'm not sure how that statement even means anything.

Floyd beats Marquez any time, at any weight for the simple fact that he not only does what Juan Manuel Marquez does, but he does it better, while being bigger, faster and stronger.


Which is exactly why Floyd chose to fight him instead of an actual welterweight.

[RodBarker]

So at 144 you agree Mayweather carries the 144 weight beter. And, I agree and the reason I think he does is cuz he is the bigger man. He has the weight advantage. That is why the weight should be an issue. However, I am with you I think the layoff should be discussed just as much as the weight. Especially with somebody like Floyd who depends so much on his speed, on his timing, on his rythym, and on being able judge the space and distance. He might be rusty. So it might take a few rounds so the rust could come off, it might take a couple more rounds to adjust to JMM, and then it might take even couple more rounds to finally get in his rythym. And, by the time he is where he wants to be. A very good fighter like JMM might some rounds in the bank where PBF would need a KO or it will be a close decision for either fight maybe even controversial. And, I don't think a close decision helps Floyd.

And, I can tell you are a Mayweather fan and you got knowledge. I respect that. And, I am enjoying this debate with you. A lot of Mayweather nuthuggers don't have knowledge and is annoying talking about boxing with them. You in the other hand come with good points and good examples.

Of course Floyd has the weight advantage nobody is saying otherwise , the point is its only small 4-6 pounds , and that is the same advantage Pac had over JMM and the same Diaz and Casa had , 2-7lbs is a fair fight for this size of man and weight is not a big issue , over 7 pounds the advantage is getting great and greater the higher it gets , thats why the divisions above the little men LW are in 7 lb increments right up to LH , the divisions were modified based around a fair fight , in essence the weights and differences between divisions are not by accident .

This fight is not about weight .

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[TboneNYC09]

Oscar's smart...

IMO Oscar wants Floyd jr to come into the fight with a different mind state.Saying Mayweather needs a KO and try to get Floyd to take chances in the ring when he takes on Marquez.

Don't see it happening...