De La Hoya: "Mayweather Has To Win By Knockout"

[jrosales13]

OK. I'm fine with that.

But if Oscar was way past it for FMJ at 154, what did Pacquiao really accomplish? Did Oscar somehow re-prime?

I am sorry did I give Pac a lot of credit. I barely started writing on here last night cuz I was bored. I usually post on about.com. If you look at my post from there and i have the same name there jrosales13. I predicted a pac KO cuz I said Oscar is done, he has been done, he last good win was against a shot Vargas and the last time I felt he was a real fighter was when he fought Shane in the rematch. Anything after that I thought Oscar was more of a promother than a fighter. So i was not impress on Floyd, Hopkins, and Pac wins. However, I was impress in the way he won. See I predicted an 11 round KO. I thought Oscar would win a couple rounds early. I never expected that. And, if you knew Pac was going to dominate Oscar the way he did well my hat goes off to you. I also felt that if Floyd would opened up more Floyd could of score a KO over Oscar. And, I posted it that a week after the Floyd-Oscar fight if you want to go over there and read it. Just in case you don't believe me. I was not impress the way Floyd beat Oscar. I felt he could of done more. And, to answer you question no Oscar was not re-prime that is just absurd....

[project xxx1]

oscar is a muppet who keeps talking crap to make people belive that marquez is going to win.it will be a tough fight for pbf but he will win this no matter what.cant wait really looking foward to the pretty boy coming back to boxing

[Al Haymon]

But, even tho the weight against JMM is a issue. And, honestly I don't know how can you not see the weight as an issue. I am still picking JMM just cuz I think the layoff will be a factor. As much as the weight is the factor so is the layoff. And, coming back from the longest layoff against a really good fighter might hurt him.

The link is Saddo Boxing dot com.

Here is the thing: If JMM was fighting Shane, Cotto or Clottey - guys who are 160 on fight night - I would say, "yeah, the weight is a substantial issue". I'm not a lunatic. Weight classes exist for a reason.

But since Marquez was 141 last time he fought Pac (18 mos ago), and was 144 when he fought Diaz, he is not walking into this fight at a substantial weight deficit against his opponent. Floyd won't be 155. PBF will be 150.

If Marquez is losing a fight solely because he is five pounds less than his opponent, then he has a problem. And, oh by the way, he was at a four pound deficit for Pac II.

It's not the weight. It's the skill. Would you favor John Duddy over Floyd?

[jrosales13]

The link is Saddo Boxing dot com.

Here is the thing: If JMM was fighting Shane, Cotto or Clottey - guys who are 160 on fight night - I would say, "yeah, the weight is a substantial issue". I'm not a lunatic. Weight classes exist for a reason.

But since Marquez was 141 last time he fought Pac (18 mos ago), and was 144 when he fought Diaz, he is not walking into this fight at a substantial weight deficit against his opponent. Floyd won't be 155. PBF will be 150.

If Marquez is losing a fight solely because he is five pounds less than his opponent, then he has a problem. And, oh by the way, he was at a four pound deficit for Pac II.

It's not the weight. It's the skill. Would you favor John Duddy over Floyd?

LOL I wouldn't favor Duddy against Mayweather. I see your point. Here is my point is it safe to say looking at JMM at 135. That he did not have his leg underneath him? Is it safe to say that even tho he KO'd at Casamayor that an old Casamayor still gave him trouble? that a light hitting Joel Diaz pushed him to the limit. That at 135 JMM did not really look strong that he got those KO's cuz of his Intelligence, accurate punching, will, heart, chin, toughness, and his skill? But, did not look strong at all? I reall do think JMM is really pushing his limit at 135 even tho at fight night he weighs at 140's. And now he is fighting at Welterweight and is not a big deal cuz Floyd is a small Welterweight? I am sorry that does not make no sence. Cuz at 135 Floyd carried that weight way better than JMM did. Let alone at 144.

Also, I keep hearing this argument that Floyd is a small welterweight and that he walks around at 150 and by fight night he will be 150. Then here is my question if he is that small couldn't he still make 140 quite easily? So why not fight JMM at 140? Please answer this for me...

I will give you my own answer and lets see if you agree. I think the only reason he is not fighting at 140 is cuz he can't make 140. IMO his body developed and grew into the Welterweight division. The one thing I respect about Floyd is his work ethic he stays in the gym. I think that is why he does not put on that much weight after the weigh in. If that makes any sence? Is like B-Hop for example. He always took care of his body ate right and stayed in the gym that's why his walking weight was always around as his fighting weight. When he was a middleweight even now at 175 he stays around that weight cuz the way he take care of himself. B-Hop is not small he can go up to cruiser hell IMO B-Hop can go to Heavy and beat Valuev. B-Hop and Floyd are great at maintaining there weight in between fights. They are the best at it better than anybody else.. Floyd has always fought around his walking weight. I read somewhere I try to find it for you that Floyd in his layoff got up to the low 160's at one point.

IMO PBF can fight at 154 and be competitive while JMM has no shot at 154. It has nothing to do with his skill. Is that he is really small. You can tell when you look at him. His bone structure, PBF shoulders looked way wider in there first press conference, JMM legs are skinny. And, you might be right but my opinion is that PBF has a clear advantage in size here.

[Al Haymon]

Also, I keep hearing this argument that Floyd is a small welterweight and that he walks around at 150 and by fight night he will be 150. Then here is my question if he is that small couldn't he still make 140 quite easily? So why not fight JMM at 140? Please answer this for me...

I will give you my own answer and lets see if you agree. I think the only reason he is not fighting at 140 is cuz he can't make 140. IMO his body developed and grew into the Welterweight division. The one thing I respect about Floyd is his work ethic he stays in the gym. .

Nah. He can make 140 just by drying out. Not actually losing muscle mass or tissue. But just by dehydrating on fight week.

Do YOU believe that FMJ is 148-150 on fight night? If you do, then you have to believe that he can make 140. Because that is pretty standard for anybody who fights in those divisions. All those guys rehydrate about (or at least) ten pounds.

[Jim Jeffries]

The link is Saddo Boxing dot com.

Here is the thing: If JMM was fighting Shane, Cotto or Clottey - guys who are 160 on fight night - I would say, "yeah, the weight is a substantial issue". I'm not a lunatic. Weight classes exist for a reason.

But since Marquez was 141 last time he fought Pac (18 mos ago), and was 144 when he fought Diaz, he is not walking into this fight at a substantial weight deficit against his opponent. Floyd won't be 155. PBF will be 150.

If Marquez is losing a fight solely because he is five pounds less than his opponent, then he has a problem. And, oh by the way, he was at a four pound deficit for Pac II.

It's not the weight. It's the skill. Would you favor John Duddy over Floyd?

Marquez was not 144 when he fought Diaz, he was 140 or 141.

[jrosales13]

Well if he could fight at 140 then why not make this fight at 140? If he did that then I don't think nobody would make a big deal about the weight. Well I know I wouldn't.

To answer your question I think he will be at 148-152 at fight night. And, that is right around where you think he will be also. But, still if he could make 140 then this fight should be taking place at 140. It would be more evenly match. Do you agree?

[paulf]

I think Floyd would have a much easier time with Cotto than Pac. Cotto is stronger than either of them but Floyds speed would cancel it out and hed coast into a decision. I'd say Pac is closer to Floyds speed, and thats why everyone wants to see Mayweather/Pacquiao; the big question mark over the favorite. Both guys look great in their own right. Fast, strong, don't get in trouble often.

It needs to happen.

[Al Haymon]

Well if he could fight at 140 then why not make this fight at 140? If he did that then I don't think nobody would make a big deal about the weight. Well I know I wouldn't.

To answer your question I think he will be at 148-152 at fight night. And, that is right around where you think he will be also. But, still if he could make 140 then this fight should be taking place at 140. It would be more evenly match. Do you agree?

We agree what size he will be on fight night.

Floyd wants to fight in a glamour division, and he perceives 147 -"welterweight" - to be that. Because Floyd and Roger are historians of the sport, they attribute greater cachet to the classic divisions. That is why you keep hearing Floyd mindlessly repeating "this is a welterweight fight" whenever he is asked about the catchweight. In fact, he won't even publicly admit to the catchweight.

He is obsessed with legacy, and the x number of weight classes he has claimed in y number of years.

There is no cachet in moving down in weight.

[Al Haymon]

Marquez was not 144 when he fought Diaz, he was 140 or 141.

So, you are saying that Marquez got SMALLER from the Pac 2 fight to the Diaz fight? See my sig pic.