If you don't recognise Haney but you do Kambosos you have been duped.

[1hourRun]

The WBA has always changed the requirements or standards for the super world championship. Originally it was only supposed to be for undisputed champions, then it was also supposed to be for unified champions, then it was for anyone the WBA wanted, then it was for everyone.

If consistency is a requirement for a world title, then there are no world titles.

Good points and noted. The sanctioning bodies are consistently greedy and conniving, that's for sure

We all know that the WBC are in the initial-phase of establishing a WBC 'Super' champion, like the WBA. Mauricio Sauilman and the WBC are very ambitious, they also created a new 'Bridgerweight' champion. Do the other four sanctioning-bodies recognize Oscar Rivas as a champion? Or even 'Bridgerweight' for that matter, good thing Silly-man is here to tell us WHO is champion, or I would be lost.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't like the fact Haney was gifted the WBC belt but he was and is the champion, even worse is this Franchise belt and Morris Silly Man, that's what has caused all this chit in the 1st place.

This franchise belt was not meant to be fought over and transferred but in the last 2 fights at 135 it has changed hands twice. You have fallen in to his trap, it being recognised as a winnable and transferable title, another one to claim sanctioning fees on and that's all sweet for slippery Morris.

Great for Kambosos to win it was a great result, Haney is an email champ but he is the champ, let's get an undisputed fight and let things fall back in to some sort of order.

- - Flapper Lips fighting his level with JoJo for peanuts.

Loma vs Kambo 85K stadium fight in Sydney what fans want to see after Teo ducked Loma to go after a skinny little Aussie who BTFO him in front of Teo hometown fans who cheered Kambo, not Teo.

What grade U in?

[billeau2]

I don't like the fact Haney was gifted the WBC belt but he was and is the champion, even worse is this Franchise belt and Morris Silly Man, that's what has caused all this chit in the 1st place.

This franchise belt was not meant to be fought over and transferred but in the last 2 fights at 135 it has changed hands twice. You have fallen in to his trap, it being recognised as a winnable and transferable title, another one to claim sanctioning fees on and that's all sweet for slippery Morris.

Great for Kambosos to win it was a great result, Haney is an email champ but he is the champ, let's get an undisputed fight and let things fall back in to some sort of order.

I look at it like this: Haney seems the most sincere to get out there and fight some other young lions! He may use a belt towards that end... I suspect if you told Haney a toothpick could be used to get a fight from Davis, Ryan, etc... you would see Devin with teeth picked clean... if you get my drift.

[Marchegiano]

The WBA, IBF and WBO have no authority to say who is the WBC's top champion. Only the WBC can determine that. The WBC says the Franchise world championship is higher than the regular world championship, just like the WBA's Super world championship is higher than the regular world championship.

Notice that the IBF won't allow their title to be unified with the WBA title is a Super WBA title exists in the same weight class, yet they do allow the IBF title to be unified with the Franchise WBC world title. That should tell you all you need to know. All four orgs says Kambosos is their top champion, therefore he is the undisputed champion. All four orgs, without dispute, recognize Kambosos as their main champion in the division.

I don't even know what to make of this. Your first paragraph and second paragraph are contrary to one another and both just wrong.....and kinda dumb too bud.

Firstly, it doesn't matter who recognizes their own inhouse edicts...that's ****ing ****** to say. The UBF, that's Charlie Z, recognizes UBF champions too....makes them legit does it? What? No one thinks the UBF is legit but the UBF? Hmmm.....seems like folks must be aware of the co-recognition agreements across the big four that make the big four the big four.

So, yeah, no, you're just wrong, the WBC saying the F is above and the Silver is below and the Interim is equal means **** all, just like the UBF, IBO, WBF, or anything else not recognized by the major four. Being a major four does not give you the ability to dictate what is official. It just means they already have an officially recognized title. A title no major body claims isn't a major title.

Again, A title no major body claims is not a title.

Those titles can be seen on every major body's official ranking boards. Why? Why would they be there is they were not for officially recognizing who is the official champion representing the official body with the official belt, key here now, that is recognized by all major bodies? Hmm? Ain't got no guess for me because the answer is they do it so the fans, who are dumb as **** and make up their own bull**** they pulled out of their ass, can see what is official across every major body and what isn't.

Do you see Silvers on any ratings not WBC ratings? Because Silver is not a real title outside of the WBC. Silver gets you **** all nothing in the WBO's ratings huh? hmm....wonder why? Why does WBC get popped in ratings but none of the other titles? Not officially recognized huh?

Hmm, so to be an official title in Boxing....the sport....you need a title no major body claims is not a title. Wow....mind blowing revelation....turns out the four bodies don't get to independently dictate what boxing is or what is official the entire sport.


Oh but dey allow uni doe. Cool, do they allow uni with IBO? Yes? Is IBO recognized? No? STFU and read a book before you talk sanctioning bodies with the mother ****er who rights the resources you read.


I kind of can't believe you don't even really understand how the sport works. ****ing WBC just gets to tell us huh? That makes sense and works with the lay out of the sport. You can see how the WBC just gets to tell everyone what to do without the need for any co-sign. WBC doesn't answer to the ABC. WBC doesn't need the WBA,IBF,or WBO to dictate what is boxing sport wide. They just tell you and off everyone goes with their articles and such. The WBC is just like the NFL, they simply dictate what the sport is huh? What with their inability to even dictate who is number one contender in a division, not their ratings, in the division.


Take this L, have you a walk, go look up some of my work put into article format and get back to me when you know your ass.

[WBC WBA IBF]

We all know that the WBC are in the initial-phase of establishing a WBC 'Super' champion, like the WBA.

Yes, that was the plan at one point. However, with the US government now pressuring the WBA to eliminate the super championship, I believe the WBC will be phasing out the franchise championship as well. They only have two franchise champions right now and one of them is in a division without a regular champion. Hopefully the WBC doesn't add more franchise champions and the two that exist will fade away in time.

[WBC WBA IBF]

STFU and read a book before you talk sanctioning bodies with the mother ****er who rights the resources you read.

Most of the resources I read are inaccurate, so it makes a lot of sense that you're the one writing them.

The WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO all say that George Kambosos is their top champion. The Franchise World Championship is the WBC's highest status. The Super World Championship is the WBA's highest status. The World Championship is the IBF and WBO's highest status. Kambosos holds all four of those championships, therefore he is the undisputed champion of the world.

The IBF doesn't allow their title to be unified with the second tier title of another organization. However, you can unify the IBF world with the Franchise WBC world because the IBF recognizes the Franchise WBC world as a higher tier than the regular WBC world.

I'm not defending the Franchise World Championship or saying I think it's a good idea. I hope it is eliminated soon. My personal opinion of whether it's a good idea or not doesn't change the fact that Kambosos holds the top title of the top organizations and is therefore the undisputed champion.

[El_Mero]

Haney has the wbc belt but he did not beat the man (Loma) for it, Lopez did, then Kambo beat Lopez. Regardless of what the crooked wbc did, Kambo imo is undisputed.

[El_Mero]

- - Flapper Lips fighting his level with JoJo for peanuts.

Loma vs Kambo 85K stadium fight in Sydney what fans want to see after Teo beat Loma fair and square, to be ordered to defend all the titles vs the Aussie who BTFO him in front of Teo hometown fans who cheered Kambo, not Teo.

Fixed it for you.....

[NachoMan]

I believe I already highlighted the established distinction of the WBA 'Super' title in relation to its counterpart the WBA 'Regular' title, namely that there is a champion requirement or standard between both the 'Super' and 'Regular' 'champions' .

In contrast, we can not even determine if there is any merit in the evolving and ever changing 'Franchise' construct. Are there any guidelines? Is there a official statement that all 'Franchise' titles are from no on transferable in 'unification' or will it be as it is today, a case by case basis? One can see that there is hardly and sound basis for this 'championship' to be recognized as genuine.

And let me make it clear, I am not by any means approving of the WBA's fragmented compartmentalized system. Like I said, its all bad, and apparently getting worse.

But you actually are doing this because you are creating this strawman argument that requires someone to choose between the merits/validity of the regular WBC champion and the Franschise Champ designation. As others have noted, regardless of what can be said about the Franschise idea, the holder of it (in this case Lomachenko) was regarded by the WBC as the superior and more proven fighter. Now you're suggesting that the lesser champion is the real champion, simply because of bull**** rules and verbiage. You seem dead set in your position that Devin Haney was and continues to have a more legitimate claim to supremacy in the LW division than Lomachenko, Lopez and now GK, but your reasoning is just pure nonsense. Stop promoting madness.

[NachoMan]

I don't even know what to make of this. Your first paragraph and second paragraph are contrary to one another and both just wrong.....and kinda dumb too bud.

Firstly, it doesn't matter who recognizes their own inhouse edicts...that's ****ing ****** to say. The UBF, that's Charlie Z, recognizes UBF champions too....makes them legit does it? What? No one thinks the UBF is legit but the UBF? Hmmm.....seems like folks must be aware of the co-recognition agreements across the big four that make the big four the big four.

So, yeah, no, you're just wrong, the WBC saying the F is above and the Silver is below and the Interim is equal means **** all, just like the UBF, IBO, WBF, or anything else not recognized by the major four. Being a major four does not give you the ability to dictate what is official. It just means they already have an officially recognized title. A title no major body claims isn't a major title.

Again, A title no major body claims is not a title.

Those titles can be seen on every major body's official ranking boards. Why? Why would they be there is they were not for officially recognizing who is the official champion representing the official body with the official belt, key here now, that is recognized by all major bodies? Hmm? Ain't got no guess for me because the answer is they do it so the fans, who are dumb as **** and make up their own bull**** they pulled out of their ass, can see what is official across every major body and what isn't.

Do you see Silvers on any ratings not WBC ratings? Because Silver is not a real title outside of the WBC. Silver gets you **** all nothing in the WBO's ratings huh? hmm....wonder why? Why does WBC get popped in ratings but none of the other titles? Not officially recognized huh?

Hmm, so to be an official title in Boxing....the sport....you need a title no major body claims is not a title. Wow....mind blowing revelation....turns out the four bodies don't get to independently dictate what boxing is or what is official the entire sport.


Oh but dey allow uni doe. Cool, do they allow uni with IBO? Yes? Is IBO recognized? No? STFU and read a book before you talk sanctioning bodies with the mother ****er who rights the resources you read.


I kind of can't believe you don't even really understand how the sport works. ****ing WBC just gets to tell us huh? That makes sense and works with the lay out of the sport. You can see how the WBC just gets to tell everyone what to do without the need for any co-sign. WBC doesn't answer to the ABC. WBC doesn't need the WBA,IBF,or WBO to dictate what is boxing sport wide. They just tell you and off everyone goes with their articles and such. The WBC is just like the NFL, they simply dictate what the sport is huh? What with their inability to even dictate who is number one contender in a division, not their ratings, in the division.


Take this L, have you a walk, go look up some of my work put into article format and get back to me when you know your ass.

In all honesty, as a 3rd party observer, you seem to be arguing with the wrong guy. Read what the guy you blasted wrote ('WBC WBA IBF') a bit closer and you will see that he makes perfect sense. You should be responding to the stuff 1HourRun is posting. That's the guy railing on defending the WBC nonsense.