If you don't recognise Haney but you do Kambosos you have been duped.

[DaNeutral.]

I don't like the fact Haney was gifted the WBC belt but he was and is the champion, even worse is this Franchise belt and Morris Silly Man, that's what has caused all this chit in the 1st place.

This franchise belt was not meant to be fought over and transferred but in the last 2 fights at 135 it has changed hands twice. You have fallen in to his trap, it being recognised as a winnable and transferable title, another one to claim sanctioning fees on and that's all sweet for slippery Morris.

Great for Kambosos to win it was a great result, Haney is an email champ but he is the champ, let's get an undisputed fight and let things fall back in to some sort of order.

[Cypocryphy]

We need to stop all this nonsense. George is undisputed. It's simple as that.

And if you don't think so, then you better be ready to call Haney the unified champion and not undisputed after he beats Kambosos (if he's able to) and gets the Franchise belt (because it is transferable now). What's everyone going to say when Haney then has to drop the WBC Champion belt as soon as he gets the Franchise? Because that's what's going to happen. So get ready to keep that same energy and call Haney the unified champion and not the undisputed champion.

[1hourRun]

We need to stop all this nonsense. George is undisputed. It's simple as that.

And if you don't think so, then you better be ready to call Haney the unified champion and not undisputed after he beats Kambosos (if he's able to) and gets the Franchise belt (because it is transferable now). What's everyone going to say when Haney then has to drop the WBC Champion belt as soon as he gets the Franchise? Because that's what's going to happen. So get ready to keep that same energy and call Haney the unified champion and not the undisputed champion.

Why would we as fans of the sport of boxing let Mauricio's dirty politics and financial interest dictate what we accept to be genuine, or play along with his game?

The fact that Devin Haney holds the genuine WBC lightweight championship of the world, along with the fact that George Kambosos is the real : IBF, WBA, WBO unified world-champion, constitute a undisputed clash.

In the case of Vasily Lomachenko becoming the first WBC 'Franchise' champion at lightweight : he in essence was 'stripped' or 'promoted' ( what a joke ) by accepting this poison ; in Devin Haney's case it will not be the same : as Haney can not be promoted to 'Franchise' because George Kambosos is already the 'Franchise', so Devin is bringing the actual WBC title to this meeting ; whereas Lomachenko had left the championship vacant in embracing his role in this horrible construct.



Devin Haney, is in a powerful position where he can save the lightweight lineage and refuse to accept the 'Franchise' title, destroying its credibility -- like Naoya Inoue rejected the WBC 'Diamond' belt after winning the 2019 WBSS bantamweight tournament vs. Nonito Donaire.

It would be fitting for all the trouble that it gave him, namely being considered a 'Paper-champ'. Should Haney vacate the WBC lightweight championship in adopting this destructive belt, I will consider the WBC championship to be vacant, just the same ; however, just like Lomachenko, Lopez, and Kambosos, I would view Devin Haney as THE MAN, and that is all that matters, not the propaganda that the WBC is publishing on the web.

Thats the way I view the 'Franchise' title, until the WBC starts to call for the WBC champion to face the 'Franchise' and when that happens, the WBC lightweight crown will be deluded like the WBA 'Super' and 'Regular', its all bad.

[Earl-Hickey]

Kambosos is just the caretaker champ anyway, I don't see how others haven't twigged yet that he just happened to be the guy in there when Lopez had a Zab Judah performance.

The next top guy he fights isn't going to roll up woefully underprepared, tight at the weight, totally underestimating Kambosos, with an idiot in his corner, and failing to finish a half dead Kambosos in the 10th

Lightning won't strike twice, the next top 5 who gets Kambosos beats him it's that simple

[Cypocryphy]

Why would we as fans of the sport of boxing let Mauricio's dirty politics and financial interest dictate what we accept to be genuine, or play along with his game?

The fact that Devin Haney holds the genuine WBC lightweight championship of the world, along with the fact that George Kambosos is the real : IBF, WBA, WBO unified world-champion, constitute a undisputed clash.

In the case of Vasily Lomachenko becoming the first WBC 'Franchise' champion at lightweight : he in essence was 'stripped' or 'promoted' ( what a joke ) by accepting this poison ; in Devin Haney's case it will not be the same : as Haney can not be promoted to 'Franchise' because George Kambosos is already the 'Franchise', so Devin is bringing the actual WBC title to this meeting ; whereas Lomachenko had left the championship vacant in embracing his role in this horrible construct.



Devin Haney, is in a powerful position where he can save the lightweight lineage and refuse to accept the 'Franchise' title, destroying its credibility -- like Naoya Inoue rejected the WBC 'Diamond' belt after winning the 2019 WBSS bantamweight tournament vs. Nonito Donaire.

It would be fitting for all the trouble that it gave him, namely being considered a 'Paper-champ'. Should Haney vacate the WBC lightweight championship in adopting this destructive belt, I will consider the WBC championship to be vacant, just the same ; however, just like Lomachenko, Lopez, and Kambosos, I would view Devin Haney as THE MAN, and that is all that matters, not the propaganda that the WBC is publishing on the web.

Thats the way I view the 'Franchise' title, until the WBC starts to call for the WBC champion to face the 'Franchise' and when that happens, the WBC lightweight crown will be deluded like the WBA 'Super' and 'Regular', its all bad.

You contradict yourself throughout this whole tirade. In one sentence you say that Suleiman and the politics can't dictate who's the champion and who isn't, then whole heartedly embrace Haney getting the WBC belt through the e-mail, aka, Suleiman's dirty politics. Haney never fought for that belt. He's technically still the interim champ, if we take out the politics, which is what you advocate.

Who has the Ring Magazine Belt? That's right. Case close. Loma fought for the WBC belt, he was the champion; he lost to Lopez, and Lopez lost to Kambosos. Simple easy

Sorry but those are the facts.

BTW: You know already that Haney will accept the Franchise belt. No doubt.

[1hourRun]

You contradict yourself throughout this whole tirade. In one sentence you say that Suleiman and the politics can't dictate who's the champion and who isn't, then whole heartedly embrace Haney getting the WBC belt through the e-mail, aka, Suleiman's dirty politics. Haney never fought for that belt. He's technically still the interim champ, if we take out the politics, which is what you advocate.

Who has the Ring Magazine Belt? That's right. Case close. Loma fought for the WBC belt, he was the champion; he lost to Lopez, and Lopez lost to Kambosos. Simple easy

Sorry but those are the facts.

BTW: You know already that Haney will accept the Franchise belt. No doubt.

I think I provided a solid basis for my position. As far as your point where you allude or suggest that Mauricio's very same dirty politics created a 'Paper-champion' in Devin Haney, I think its only fair to consider that Devin Haney had no choice in the matter, he was bypassed by Vasily Lomachenko in the rankings, even though the World-Boxing-Council should of never rated a unified champion ahead of their contender ( Devin Haney ) to fight another contender ( Luke Campbell ) for the WBC 135 title.

Nevertheless, there have been unfortunate moments in boxing where a the #1. contender can not get the champion in the ring, and the belt becomes vacant : it is demoralizing to win the belt that way, especially when you fulfilled everything required on your part to earn the title, that is what happened with Devin the 'Dream' Haney -- thats why I feel that Devin should screw Mauricio Sauliman if he gets Kambosos and dropped the 'French-Fries' title right there and then in the post fight interview.

The game is grimy.

[DaNeutral.]

We need to stop all this nonsense. George is undisputed. It's simple as that.

And if you don't think so, then you better be ready to call Haney the unified champion and not undisputed after he beats Kambosos (if he's able to) and gets the Franchise belt (because it is transferable now). What's everyone going to say when Haney then has to drop the WBC Champion belt as soon as he gets the Franchise? Because that's what's going to happen. So get ready to keep that same energy and call Haney the unified champion and not the undisputed champion.

It's down on paper, Haney WBC champ, Kambosos WBC franchise and to be honest Loma should still be Franchise champion.

[IronDanHamza]

I mean, logically, Lomachenko was the WBC Champion before being “elevated”, he then lost to Teo who lost to Kambosos. So logically, Kambosos is the WBC Champion.

But even if he’s not, Devin Haney DEFINITELY isn’t a legitimate world Champion. That’s for sure.

[DaNeutral.]

All it takes is 1 fight between Haney and Kambosos and all this is cleared up. But we need to start ignoring this Franchise BS.

[DaNeutral.]

I mean, logically, Lomachenko was the WBC Champion before being “elevated”, he then lost to Teo who lost to Kambosos. So logically, Kambosos is the WBC Champion.

But even if he’s not, Devin Haney DEFINITELY isn’t a legitimate world Champion. That’s for sure.

I totally get your point and I actually want to agree but you go on the WBC website and it has Devin Haney as WBC world champ at 135. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.