If you don't recognise Haney but you do Kambosos you have been duped.

[NachoMan]

I think you are interpreting my words incorrectly, I said that provided that Devin Haney beats George Kambosos, that Haney would become the lineal champion ( THE MAN ). And that is all that matters, not 'undisputed' 'unified' status or recognition.

I'm not arguing in favor of Devin Haney, I view him as a titlelist ; with the same impartial attitude I view George Kambosos as the lineal champion, but not undisputed ; these two have to fight and show the public who is 'undisputed'. I demand authenticity.

Ok, but I don't think that you realize that your line of reasoning only validates the WBC bull**** that you criticize. Instead of flatly rejecting the maneuverings of the WBC you've fallen in line and accepted the Devin Haney, out of thin air, fighting nobody of consequence, is the real WBC champion. The WBC did not outright strip V. Lomachenko, so he is still the best fighter they have ranked (aka the champ).

[DaNeutral.]

The way I see it: Kambosos is a champion and Haney is a belt holder.

That is definitely fair. My whole angle is we all scoffed at this "franchise" thing from the start and we knew what Morris Sillyman is playing at but day by day the franchise is becoming held higher than the real full WBC title.

I really don't like how Haney got it or any of the others like Canelo and Jermall Charlo after him and I think Teo firmly deserved the credit and status as full champion just like Kambosos does now but by acknowledging them as such is losing touch with the real title and Morris gets his way.

[DaNeutral.]

I don’t care about “franchise belts” or any of that garbage.

Lomachenko and Campbell fought for the Vacant WBC title, Lomachenko lost to Teofimo Lopez and Teofimo Lopez lost to Kambosos.

I couldn’t care less about all these made up status’s and titles and diamond belts and whatever else.

If Haney beats Kambosos he’s the champion. Or have them fight for a vacant belt for all I care.

Haney’s not a champion until he beats someone for a title.

I totally get what you are saying and I agree. This is not a Haney over Kambosos or Teo thing this is a Maurice Sullimain treating the sport like chit and using this to get his own way by sneaking in a new dumb belt and having it turn in to something real which now means he has 2 champions at the weight paying him his sanctioning fees. Remember these things were not meant to be fought over and transferable yet here we are, last 2 fights have seen it change hands twice.

That real WBC belt although misplaced by being handed to Devin Haney rather staying with the person who deserved it or being fought for is the real belt and the franchise is tin junk but the person who deserves the real one has ended up with the tin junk.

I'd love them to be brought in line and the deserved respect be put back on the real world title. But right now, as undeserving as it may be, Devin Haney holds that and I'm seeing it be put as a secondary title to the Franchise because of Maurice and his shenanigans.

[1hourRun]

Ok, but I don't think that you realize that your line of reasoning only validates the WBC bull**** that you criticize. Instead of flatly rejecting the maneuverings of the WBC you've fallen in line and accepted the Devin Haney, out of thin air, fighting nobody of consequence, is the real WBC champion. The WBC did not outright strip V. Lomachenko, so he is still the best fighter they have ranked (aka the champ).

Becoming a 'world-champion' often in boxing these days does not require beating any legitime opposition, one can not control the quality of opposition that is put in front of them by the sanctioning-body, nor force the current title holder to face you ( in the case of Lomachenko-Haney ) , all you can do is meet all demands by the organization and fight the men that are willing to compete for a belt.

Devin Haney did that was required of him, he earned the WBC title, I know that it does not satisfy the general public. And it may seem that I am arguing that Devin Haney is on the same level as George Kambosos, he is not, but what is right is right.

I have to disagree with your view that I am contradicting myself, my argument is that all proper protocols must be honored, no man should cut in line or be exempt, given privilege, nor should someone that has worked hard for their position be undermined because someone has greater status. The concept of 'Franchise' precisely violates all of these honorable standards, it was even described by Mauricio Sauliman himself as having privileges that legitime world-champions did not have, such as duty to defend said title.

[WBC WBA IBF]

The fact that Devin Haney holds the genuine WBC lightweight championship of the world, along with the fact that George Kambosos is the real : IBF, WBA, WBO unified world-champion, constitute a undisputed clash.

You can't have it both ways. If Haney is the genuine WBC champion, then Tank Davis is the genuine WBA champion.

[WBC WBA IBF]

All it takes is 1 fight between Haney and Kambosos and all this is cleared up. But we need to start ignoring this Franchise BS.

It wouldn't be cleared up because if Haney is the real champion, so is Tank Davis. So Haney vs Kambosos wouldn't be undisputed either.

[WBC WBA IBF]

The WBA,IBF, and WBO say Haney is the WBC champion.

The WBA, IBF and WBO have no authority to say who is the WBC's top champion. Only the WBC can determine that. The WBC says the Franchise world championship is higher than the regular world championship, just like the WBA's Super world championship is higher than the regular world championship.

Notice that the IBF won't allow their title to be unified with the WBA title if a Super WBA title exists in the same weight class, yet they do allow the IBF title to be unified with the Franchise WBC world title. That should tell you all you need to know. All four orgs says Kambosos is their top champion, therefore he is the undisputed champion. All four orgs, without dispute, recognize Kambosos as their main champion in the division.

[1hourRun]

You can't have it both ways. If Haney is the genuine WBC champion, then Tank Davis is the genuine WBA champion.

I believe I already highlighted the established distinction of the WBA 'Super' title in relation to its counterpart the WBA 'Regular' title, namely that there is a champion requirement or standard between both the 'Super' and 'Regular' 'champions' .

In contrast, we can not even determine if there is any merit in the evolving and ever changing 'Franchise' construct. Are there any guidelines? Is there a official statement that all 'Franchise' titles are from no on transferable in 'unification' or will it be as it is today, a case by case basis? One can see that there is hardly and sound basis for this 'championship' to be recognized as genuine.

And let me make it clear, I am not by any means approving of the WBA's fragmented compartmentalized system. Like I said, its all bad, and apparently getting worse.

[WBC WBA IBF]

I believe I already highlighted the established distinction of the WBA 'Super' title in relation to its counterpart the WBA 'Regular' title, namely that there is a champion requirement or standard between both the 'Super' and 'Regular' 'champions' .

The WBA has always changed the requirements or standards for the super world championship. Originally it was only supposed to be for undisputed champions, then it was also supposed to be for unified champions, then it was for anyone the WBA wanted, then it was for everyone.

If consistency is a requirement for a world title, then there are no world titles.

[PBR Streetgang]

Don't really care about the belts TBH. All I know is Kambosos beat the dude who beat the dude. Diaz took care of Fortuna, Haney beat Linares. Diaz and Haney will match up and hopefully winner takes on Kambosos.

Tank hasn't decided what weight class he wants to fight at, Loma on a comeback tour facing guys Teo beat and Garcia is alternating between selfies, mental breakdowns and calling out people on social media.