Comments Thread For: George Kambosos vs. Teofimo Lopez - Official Scorecards

[Willie Pep 229]

I think scoring it 10-9 IS OUTSIDE the scope of the 10-point must system. In the 10-point must system, at least one fighter is awarded 10 points at the end of the round using the scoring criteria (which does NOT include knockdowns as a criteria). Once you establish who earns the 10 points for winning the round overall, you take away points for knockdowns, then you take away deducted points for fouls. To think a 10-9 round with a knockdown is acceptable is to believe the round was a 10-10 round before adjusting for the knockdown.

For me, personally, I felt Teofimo won the first round, forcing George to back away most of the time and fight defensively and reactively. In his aggression, he was knocked down towards the end of the round, but he had already established his slight dominance over the previous 2+ minutes. Teofimo got up quickly, did not physically show signs of being heavily hurt, and weathered the remainder of the round. Although he got knocked down, I believe he otherwise won the round, making it 10-9 for Teofimo. Then I deduct one point for the knockdown, making it 9-9. I felt the same way about both Fury knockdowns in the first Wilder fight. I can, however, see people feeling George won the first round, and further cementing that first round win with a knockdown that results in a 10-8 round for him.

Oh, and I also felt the right guy ultimately won. Cong****, Kombosos.

First Bold: Yes 10-10 are even rounds - no problem with that. The 10 point must only means that the judge must award at least one of the fighters 10 points, the other fighter may be scored anywhere between 10 and 0.

Second Bold: A judge cannot score round 9-9 unless the referee deducts a point from a fighter. The judge must award one of the two fighters a 10 score.

[techliam]

That's not what a 'mandatory eight count' means -- we are not talking the referee's count we are talking the judge's scoring.

Maybe you read my post too quickly.

No you’ve misread what I’ve said
Standard 8 count is always scored as a point dedication in the 10 point must system. In the amateurs it is not. The grey areas surround multiple knockdowns etc.

Presumed you knew this already

[Willie Pep 229]

No you’ve misread what I’ve said
Standard 8 count is always scored as a point dedication in the 10 point must system. In the amateurs it is not. The grey areas surround multiple knockdowns etc.

Presumed you knew this already

Where have you found that written down - the scoring part?

[Raggamuffin]

Flash KDs don't always deserve 10-8 round.

Foh. It should’ve been 10-8 on all 3 cards.

[Boxing-1013]

I didn't really score the fight, but round 1 felt like a borderline 10-9 round. I could see a good judge going that way. Felt like Teo dominated the whole round with some big shots, and then got caught.

Hard to say the judges had a bias for him though when I think all 3 had it at least 5-1 Kambo after 6 rounds. The guy who scored it 7-5 to Teo is a bit suspect but again I'd have to score it to really see. Didn't feel like he swept those last 6 rounds at all. I do think he won the 12th though, and dropped the 11th almost certainly.

[Grimmer]

There is no way that first round should be scored anything other than a 10-8 in favour of Kambosos.

[Toffee]

I still think there's a major misunderstanding here.

You don't judge the round without the knockdown. Lopez was more aggressive but the aim of boxing is to score with clean, effective punches. Kambosos did that. In fact he caught him so cleanly and effectively that he knocked him down with a great shot.

Kambosos won the round. 10-9. The knockdown just makes it 10-8. You don't judge a round without factoring in the key moment of the round.

[Willie Pep 229]

I still think there's a major misunderstanding here.

You don't judge the round without the knockdown. Lopez was more aggressive but the aim of boxing is to score with clean, effective punches. Kambosos did that. In fact he caught him so cleanly and effectively that he knocked him down with a great shot.

Kambosos won the round. 10-9. The knockdown just makes it 10-8. You don't judge a round without factoring in the key moment of the round.

Yes you can if you feel Lopez's was winning the round before the KD - it would have been a 10-9 round Lopez's way had there not been the KD. K was given the round because of the KD, a round he would have otherwise lost had there been no KD.

You seem to want to double award K for the KD, giving him a round he wasn't winning and then giving him a second point for the KD.

I can't figure out why you guy's can't wrap your head around that.

[Toffee]

Yes you can if you feel Lopez's was winning the round before the KD - it would have been a 10-9 round Lopez's way had there not been the KD. K was given the round because of the KD, a round he would have otherwise lost had there been no KD.

You seem to want to double award K for the KD, giving him a round he wasn't winning and then giving him a second point for the KD.

I can't figure out why you guy's can't wrap your head around that.

And I can't understand how you don't see that the punch counts. It was the single most effective exchange of the round. Lopez applied pressure, Kambosos produced some good shots in response. But that exchange won him the round. You get a 10-9 for winning the round. You take a point for the KD.
You seem to think Lopez won the round despite the knockdown. Well why would it be 10-9 then? Surely it should be level? Or are you scoring 10-8 plus a bonus point for Lopez being aggressive? Where's that in the rules?

Yes it's a double benefit. It tipped the balance on an otherwise close round and it was a knockdown. It's almost always a 10-8, even in rounds where the knocked down fighter had been pretty dominant.

Ultimately it didn't matter, but it could have cost Kambosos a deserved win. We were a couple of punches away from an absolute travesty.

[Rodtang]

False, below is how it actually works:
”If Fighter A is winning the round and scores a knockdown and continues to win the round after the knockdown, then Fighter A is awarded the round 10-8. However, if Fighter A is winning the round and gets knocked down by Fighter B, then Fighter B is awarded the round 10-9. The key is: Which fighter won the round without the knockdown? Thus, most fans and TV commentators are incorrect in automatically scoring a 10-8 round for a fighter who scores a knock down without taking into consideration who won the round without the knock down.”

Maybe in the States, but in the UK it's a 10-8 irrespective. Keeps it simple and clean. No controversy. It's not fair for some to lose only 1 point while most lose 2. It gives the impression of judges being influenced by home crowds and favouritism towards certain fighters. Makes people think of corruption. Imo it's better with no grey areas. But I believe you to be correct and respect your opinion