Comments Thread For: George Kambosos vs. Teofimo Lopez - Official Scorecards

[Willie Pep 229]

Thats cool pal, you have your opinion and are clearly explaining your thoughts and although I see things differently, I very much respect you for that

Another problem may be that the 10 Point Must system in practice isn't, it's really a 3 point must system:

10-10 Even
10-9 No KD
10-8 One KD
10-7 Two KDs

A third KD in a round (even when there is no 'three KD rule' in effect) usually ends the fight.

Maybe if they opened the scoring up a bit and used a larger spread of the ten possible points we could differentiate between close and dominate no KD rounds, and separate flash from more devastating KDs in the scoring.

[oldschoolfool]

Giving a 10-9 first round and the last round to lopez, Fucq those corrupt judges. They did all they could for Lopez but it still wasnt enough. Proves just how decisive the win actually was.

[Curt Henning]

shocking result...cong**** to kambosos....this is why the fight the fights and not on paper

[Rodtang]

Another problem may be that the 10 Point Must system in practice isn't, it's really a 3 point must system:

10-10 Even
10-9 No KD
10-8 One KD
10-7 Two KDs

A third KD in a round (even when there is no 'three KD rule' in effect) usually ends the fight.

Maybe if they opened the scoring up a bit and used a larger spread of the ten possible points we could differentiate between close and dominate no KD rounds, and separate flash from more devastating KDs in the scoring.

I like the three knockdown rule. If it's not there and a fighter looks to want to and be able to carry on, I still think it's taking its toll on the fighter. So for safety reasons I'd say end it. Because the next one could be critical. And let's face it, if your down 3 times in one round your chances are slim to grim. Fighters are too brave for their own good sometimes. You could be right about the scoring. Most fight though tend to be close, so 10-9 rounds, or if they're dominant, usually end by ko and scorecards are then irrelevant. A big help would be it being standard across all commissions. People are watching from all over and at times see things too differently.

[1nonlymre]

Flash KDs don't always deserve 10-8 round.

Correct. In the first round, Teofimo was winning the round minus him being knocked down. At the end of the round, a judge asks themselves 'Who won the round?'. I personally feel Teo won the first round, making it 10-9. But he gets a point deducted for having been knocked down. Making the round ultimately a 9-9 round.

[1nonlymre]

This is a short article that explains things a little better. https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxi...81vkqqvvqlsu67

[Ropeydope]

I’ve never seen a KD round scored 10-9, regardless of who was winning the round prior. Playing possum, especially in the first round, lulling your opponent into a false sense of security, then landing a big shot, is a brilliant strategy and should be rewarded in a consistent manner on judges score cards.
A KD round is 10-8 round.

[Topdogggbm]

That's too concrete for my way of thinking - prize fighting, and who is actually winning a fight, goes beyond mere punch and KD counting. That's amateur scoring. The professional fight game is full of nuances.

Although please understand I am not in anyway suggesting Lopez won the fight, only that the two judges 10-9 scores didn't surprise me.

This is a good discussion. In my opinion, the 10 point must system is way too concrete as well. Two fighters can feel each other out for the entire first round, and each throw 5 punches and landing only 1 each, and a winner must been chosen (it's rare, but judges CAN score 10 10 but that is even more dumb if you ask me). I realize that there's more to it than punch stats. Ring generalship, feints, etc. But fact is, a 10 9 is given 99% of the time. Then you could have a round where it's 50 jabs landed that don't do any real damage, but it shows domination, compared to the opponent scoring 5 punches in the round, and yet still a 10 9 is given (yes in some rare cases a 10 8 is given with no knockdown. But I'm just talking about how a standard fight plays out)......

Those two 10 9 rounds are NOT equal! 50 jabs to 5 in a round. And 1 punch to 1 punch landed in the other. But yet the score has to be set each round. I think there needs to be a complete overhaul in scoring period. I think 10 10 should be more common of a round score. I think the entire system needs revamped.

[techliam]

Ok I see your point of view . . . But it's your POV, (see bold) there is no such standard codified in any State Commission rules, it is the discretion of the judges.

It sounds like you’re making things up because it sounds logically conceivable in your head? Thing is, if you are intelligent enough to formulate a theory like that, I would have expected you to have actually read the rules

The fight was sanctioned with the ABC rules. There rule is as follows (very clear, search for ABC boxing rules):

‘The Mandatory Eight (8) Count after knockdowns will be standard procedure in all bouts.’

the separation between a knockdown and flash knockdown is not recognised in the commission rules.

this rule is exactly the same with the BBBC in the UK. I’m not sure about anywhere else, but I would guess it’s also the same if there are sanctioning body titles at stake

[Toffee]

Correct. In the first round, Teofimo was winning the round minus him being knocked down. At the end of the round, a judge asks themselves 'Who won the round?'. I personally feel Teo won the first round, making it 10-9. But he gets a point deducted for having been knocked down. Making the round ultimately a 9-9 round.

When you judge the round you don't completely remove the action that caused the knockdown. That punch landed, and it was the most effective and significant action of the round.

Then it's a point for the guy actually hitting the canvas.

How two judges feel Lopez won that Round including the knockdown is a mystery to me. He would have had to be completely dominant and he was nowhere near that.

Put it this way. If there was no convention that you take a point for a knockdown... who won the round? It was Kambosos.