Give a Solid Argument for Why Either Charlo or Andrade Deserves a Canelo Fight

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Great, let’s have them fight each other then.

There was a list of why Canelo wouldn’t fight the other 3 fighters as well.

So they should fight each other, but Canelo should not fight either of them? Why not?

[Boxing fan1981]

So they should fight each other, but Canelo should not fight either of them? Why not?

So Canelo should be the only one fighting all of them?

Why?

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Title holders in a division Canelo no longer competes in. Neither will fight Benevidez in a weightclass that Canelo does in fact fight in. Shyt, neither is willing to fight Jacobs or even each other. It would be okay if he fought one or both of them but they have done nothing to set themselves apart. The word "Deserves" doesn't apply to either man.

Canelo is fighting in heavier weight classes to set a record only. He won't stay there to compete with the other top dogs. You can't justify Alvarez not fighting them just because they won't fight each other. They're all playing a similar game; they want a big payday against Canelo and won't risk a loss that could ruin that. Meanwhile, Canelo won't fight them, because he is trying to set a record for a Mexican fighter with the most championship belts in multiple divisions. a loss or even a hard fight in the lighter divisions makes him less attractive to the heavier champions and reduces potential interest and revenue.

[rickJen]

Andrade just fought last week, Charlo's last fight was last June.

Give me a solid argument why Jermall has to wait for Canelo for
one year and 3 months.

[4truth]

Canelo is fighting in heavier weight classes to set a record only. He won't stay there to compete with the other top dogs. You can't justify Alvarez not fighting them just because they won't fight each other. They're all playing a similar game; they want a big payday against Canelo and won't risk a loss that could ruin that. Meanwhile, Canelo won't fight them, because he is trying to set a record for a Mexican fighter with the most championship belts in multiple divisions. a loss or even a hard fight in the lighter divisions makes him less attractive to the heavier champions and reduces potential interest and revenue.

Canelo isn't going to fight at 160 again. He's weighing about 180 in the ring and looks a lot better without having to dehydrate so many pounds to make weight. Any and all titles Charlo and Andrade have at 160 are irrelevant.

You can't justify Alvarez not fighting them just because they won't fight each other.

Absolutely I can. Not only won't they fight each other, they refuse to fight any contenders at 168. fck that.

[QueensburyRules]

- -I could see Canelo wanting to take a breather after his heavy schedule.

Since Androgynous runs more, prob pick the Charlene sista for a relaxing walk in the park, but seriously, neither will even fight each other nor get a whiff of Canelo who has bigger fights to make.

[daggum]

canelo is several divisions bigger than them. i really dont get why they would fight. saunders pretended to be a super middle with a fake belt he won off some bum, so i guess they could do that? otherwise i dont see the appeal at all. fights with benavidez or beterbiev when hes old enough for canelo are better.

[MPDKSAB]

Thread is clown shìt. It's not one that is even keeled & you can tell btw it's written. "How long has Andrade and Charlo been in or around the same division." Excuse me? These dudes can't be serious. You DO realize Canelo has been in them same divisions as well. He pretty much only HASN'T been in the same divisions for 2 years & get this, even when he wasn't he still held a belt there.

The thread is allegedly based off "worthy accomplishments" but I see personal rhetoric as well. So let me tell the truth from ppl who actually watch boxing & not skim through it. Culcay was a regular world champion by definition. Andrade has never had 1 boxing match, I repeat 1 boxing match in which he has lost 4 rounds. But he's looked "terrible" if you let "them" tell it.

Did Mayweather tell them never take a fight in which people thought you could lose? Because they've done that. So we've established Floyd didn't tell them that & you've lied to the people. Floyd doesn't even have anything to do with this. He is his own individual. When people correlate the so called scared of losing their "O" with Floyd. It shows their lack of knowledge & due diligence.

The fact that all 3 of these dudes started at 54 & none of them fought is EXTREMELY coincidental, too coincidental if you catch my drift. Canelo (soon to be) has found time to be in 5 different divisions. BUT he hasn't found time to fight two guys he's spent the majority of his career in the same divisions with. Make it make sense. You dudes don't play Devil's Advocate enough.

The biggest takeaway from this thread & what often gets omitted when talking about a dude like Canelo is: opportunity. If Canelo gets all the opportunities he wants when he wants. & his rivals get a fraction of that. How can you not see that's by DESIGN. Aww man I could be here all day on this one. Canelo got GGG to fight him in his 1st fight at 60. Andrade been tryna fight GGG since after Andrade's 1st fight at 60. The difference between opportunity & lackthereof. I advise you to ponder this because I can be here all day with this one. All i can say is boxing sure does look different when you pick who you give & don't give opportunity to.

I guess the Bucks ain't deserve to play the Suns this year either lol. Demetrius Andrade is the most avoided fighter in boxing. How does he have to "deserve" a fight with a guy who's been maneuvering around him strategically? How does the so called best fighter in world let that guy live as an undefeated champion (in 2 divisions for the better part of 10 years) unscathed? If Andrade doesn't "deserve" to fight Canelo, than I guess neither did Canelo's last opponent cause he was in absolutely NO, different position Andrade was before he got the fight!

Since when do champions have to "deserve" to fight champions? I'll answer that, since promoters said so & promoted certain fans from fans to fanagers. As long as Charlo & Andrade are undefeated but particularly regarded in the conversation of "the best" they "deserve" to fight the best. When you say Charlo & Andrade don't "deserve" you give Canelo more power in saying Fielding & Cruiserweight dude "deserve" it.

[Chrismart]

They should face each other. Golovkin and Murata are in a unification fight, Charlo and Andrade should do the same. When even was the last unification at MW?

Fighters can chase Canelo, but he's out there doing his own thing while the fighters calling him out are stalling their careers waiting.
He's a pay day of course, but the champs at 160 haven't been fighting each other, the champs at 168 wouldn't face each other and waited for Canelo. Are Beterbiev and Bivol ever going to fight?

The fact Canelo is a free agent means he doesn't have to worry about boxing politics like other fighters, but in the end they could find themselves waiting a long time if they're just waiting on Canelo.

[tokon]

I'm on this forum to grow my understanding of the sport I love. With that said, I want someone to provide an honest, non-bias, accomplishment based argument for why Canelo SHOULD fight Andrade or Charlo. Oh let's try and keep race out of this, I'm an African American man who's an avid Canelo, Andrade, and Charlo fan. As a fan I want to see Canelo fight those guys, and to shut the mouths of the haters, I really want to see those fights, but I don't think either guy deserves it. I mean everyone gets mad at Canelo for the fights not happening but how long has Andrade and Charlo been in or around the same division. Those guys are scared of losing their sacred "0", which you can thank Mayweather for. Here's why neither deserves the fight based on accomplishments:

Charlo:
-has fought b and c level competition at best.
-beat Julian Williams in amazing fashion, but Williams went on to look subpar, and, with respect to Breadman, is a chinny fighter
-two division world champ, but he only earned one of his belts by beating Cornelius Bundrage, the other belt he was elevated from interim title holder - never unified titles

Andrade: I'll try and keep it short
- two division world champ, never unified
- has a tendency to look terrible against b and c level opposition
-only won vacant titles
- the big kicker is.....he never fought an active world champion to win a title.. something Canelo had already did before he even fought Mayweather.

No arguement here; neither deserves a shot.
Alvarez will never go back to 160 so they've got nothing he's interested in. Neither of them have even won a fight at 168 so it's likely that they're fading into the rear view mirror unless they step up and beat Benevidez.