Give a Solid Argument for Why Either Charlo or Andrade Deserves a Canelo Fight

[danceswithfire]

they both deserve it but they are gonna have to go to canelo's current weight , not the other way around....

[whollisboxing]

So they should fight each other, but Canelo should not fight either of them? Why not?

I think Canelo should fight the winner because the winner would have an even stronger case to be his next opponent. As of right now I couldn’t tell you which one of them is more deserving than the other. The winner would remove all doubt.

What I don’t agree with is Charlo and Andrade (or anyone) fighting tune up after tune up to preserve their shot at the golden ticket.

[whollisboxing]

Because Rocky Fielding somehow justified getting the fight.

He was a tune up and Canelo fought him three months after the GGG rematch, which was a war. No one would fight a killer in that situation.

The same goes for the Yildirim fight. Canelo fought Callum Smith in December and then Yildirim in February before the Saunders fight in May.

[whollisboxing]

The thread didn't ask who was talented. The thread asked why so and so deserves a Canelo fight and the truth is the only guys who deserve it are the ones that negotiate it. Nobody owes you anything in this life except for what's been promised.

Andrade brings nothing to the table. It was his choice to sign with a British promoter with no experience here. It was his choice to target the lightly regarded WBO title. It was his choice to fight in a boring manner nobody wants to pay to see. He's a nobody. This is prize fighting. There's no prize for fighting him.

I agree with everything except the part about the WBO title being lightly regarded.

I believe that fighters use the “lightly regarded” excuse when the guy holding the belt is a difficult matchup, and if Jason Quigley had somehow pulled the upset then everyone would wanna fight for the WBO belt again.

And to be fair, I know Quigley wasn’t a world beater but Andrade scored a 2nd round stoppage. That’s what a top guy is supposed to do against that level of opponent.

[whollisboxing]

Canelo is fighting in heavier weight classes to set a record only. He won't stay there to compete with the other top dogs. You can't justify Alvarez not fighting them just because they won't fight each other. They're all playing a similar game; they want a big payday against Canelo and won't risk a loss that could ruin that. Meanwhile, Canelo won't fight them, because he is trying to set a record for a Mexican fighter with the most championship belts in multiple divisions. a loss or even a hard fight in the lighter divisions makes him less attractive to the heavier champions and reduces potential interest and revenue.

I’m glad you’re willing to acknowledge what’s going on.

I will add that Charlo and Andrade haven’t beaten anyone as good as Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders or Caleb Plant.

Although to be fair, Andrade had the Saunders fight until Billy Joe failed a drug test.

Charlo’s win over Derevyanchenko would be the closest but the three champions Canelo beat would all be a career best win for Charlo and Andrade, and David Benavidez for that matter.

[whollisboxing]

They should face each other. Golovkin and Murata are in a unification fight, Charlo and Andrade should do the same. When even was the last unification at MW?

Fighters can chase Canelo, but he's out there doing his own thing while the fighters calling him out are stalling their careers waiting.
He's a pay day of course, but the champs at 160 haven't been fighting each other, the champs at 168 wouldn't face each other and waited for Canelo. Are Beterbiev and Bivol ever going to fight?

The fact Canelo is a free agent means he doesn't have to worry about boxing politics like other fighters, but in the end they could find themselves waiting a long time if they're just waiting on Canelo.

Exactly. All of them would be good fights for Canelo, however I don’t wanna see them fight tune ups until 2024 to preserve their spot in line.

They fail to realize that they can make big fights (and big money) on their own.

[DaNeutral.]

Both unbeaten world champs. Canelo isn't a 160 guy right now but if they wana move up or him come back down those 2 are as deserving as anybody.

That's not to say Canelo should have to face them, he can do what he wants he has done 10x what either of those 2 have achieved

[WBC WBA IBF]

I agree with everything except the part about the WBO title being lightly regarded.

I believe that fighters use the “lightly regarded” excuse when the guy holding the belt is a difficult matchup, and if Jason Quigley had somehow pulled the upset then everyone would wanna fight for the WBO belt again.

And to be fair, I know Quigley wasn’t a world beater but Andrade scored a 2nd round stoppage. That’s what a top guy is supposed to do against that level of opponent.

Of course fighters will pretend the WBO is equal if they can beat an easy guy to get it. But since it's not equal, if you have to beat a tough guy to get it, it's usually not worth it.

[drablj]

So Canelo should be the only one fighting all of them?

Why?

because canelo is the cash cow. everybody's in boxing to become a champion and fight or become a cash cow (win the lottery). cash cows are held in higher regard. majority of people don't care about anyone else. i am not saying canelo should fight andrade or charlo next. i am just answering your question.
i was a little surprised canelo didn't attemp to fight arsen gulamirian after kovalev since they were the same (the weakest champions in new weight classes for canelo). i am not surprised now since all of the potential opponents are waiting on a lottery ticket (beterbiev is fighting a tough mandatory but everybody else just waste everybody's time). i don't like makabu as an opponent now but i would really commend canelo if it was mairis briedis instead. briedis is the lineal champion and clear number 1. if canelo somehow defeated briedis then the logical next step would be usyk at heavyweight. usyk would be free after his rematch with joshua and i bet canelo - usyk would generate more money than usyk - fury. usyk would surely take that fight. canelo - usyk would be for the top 20 ever! canelo only needs briedis and usyk for that. the downside is beterbiev (lineal), briedis (lineal) and usyk (unified) will be 37 and 35 next year...

[bballchump11]

He was a tune up and Canelo fought him three months after the GGG rematch, which was a war. No one would fight a killer in that situation.

The same goes for the Yildirim fight. Canelo fought Callum Smith in December and then Yildirim in February before the Saunders fight in May.

Ok so who should Canelo's next 3 opponents be?