Why Canelo and Pacquiao stand out more than Mayweather

[Goldie]

My intention here it's not to plug into the whole Pacquiao Mayweather fight question of who won. And I'm going to contradict myself and say nobody won that fight. Nobody beat anybody. If Mayweather hit Pacquiao with a few more punches and the decision was warranted great but that is hardly winning. Canelo was more or less dominated different situation entirely

The whole premise of this thread is ****** and epitomizes how low brow this site is, but this post especially. It’s clear that people like you don’t have the intellectual capacity to even fully appreciate the sport. You should stick to watching tough man competitions. Mayweather did a hell of a lot more than just “land a few more punches”. He dictated the pace, controlled the distance, completely neutralized pacquiao’s offense, and actually ended up being the busier fighter. It was a clear decisive boring victory to anybody who is smart enough to understood what happened in the ring. That’s why all the Mayweather haters were mad after the fight and wanted their money back. It’s why pacquiao faked an injury after the fact in an attempt to save face.

[hugh grant]

Not to discredit Manny but the whole being a multi-weight world champion thing is disgustingly overrated in general and doesn't mean half as much as it used to.

99.9% of the time its just a weight bully cherrypicking the weak links.

I mean isn't AB like a 4 weight world champion? And look who he beat for those titles. Same with Linares irrc
I think they probably beat like one top 10 ranked opponent between them.

There are far too many belts and belt collectors in this era

I put a lot more stock in clearing out a division than I do bouncing up and down and fighting bums for paper titles.

Its only going to get worse also especially with how boxing is and given there is another division that has been created

Yes, anything Floyd's never achieved floyd fans don't put value in it, even though the history of the sport does. You ask floyd to move up weight though and see what response you get something along the lines of" your just a hater wanting him to lose"? Fighting in people's backyards traditionally is something respected, but to Floyd's fans it's nothing only because floyd not achieved it.? But again the response is " your just a hater, or the money is in Vegas"? Well that's all good and well if floyd is a businessman but question is are you a legit champion or businessman which is it?

Floyd fans still boast about unbeaten records even though the world doesn't see floyd as unbeaten. And again how floyd conducted career to remain unbeaten isn't a concern for floyd fans, yet how PAC became 8 division champ is? Scrutinised in microscopic detail?

[BodyBagz]

Here is Pac's ENTIRE WW+ resume -
Shot DLH*
Cotto*
Shot Clottey
Shot Margarito*
Shot Mosley
JMM 2x (1 fight too many )
Bradley 3x
Shot Rios
Shot Algieri*
MAY ( )
Vargas
HORN ( )
Shot Lucas
Shot Broner
Thurman (FINALLY ! A SOMEWHAT CREDIBLE WIN !)
UGAS ( )

19 fights
Looking at who he fought and WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM, how is it he has more than 1 loss ?????

I defy an honest fight fan to say these 19 fights are impressive.

[QueensburyRules]

Here is Pac's ENTIRE WW+ resume -
Shot DLH*
Cotto*
Shot Clottey
Shot Margarito*
Shot Mosley
JMM 2x (1 fight too many )
Bradley 3x
Shot Rios
Shot Algieri*
MAY ( )
Vargas
HORN ( )
Shot Lucas
Shot Broner
Thurman (FINALLY ! A SOMEWHAT CREDIBLE WIN !)
UGAS ( )

19 fights
Looking at who he fought and WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM, how is it he has more than 1 loss ?????

I defy an honest fight fan to say these 19 fights are impressive.

- -They removed U brains before they zipped U up is it?

[Roadblock]

Yes, anything Floyd's never achieved floyd fans don't put value in it, even though the history of the sport does. You ask floyd to move up weight though and see what response you get something along the lines of" your just a hater wanting him to lose"? Fighting in people's backyards traditionally is something respected, but to Floyd's fans it's nothing only because floyd not achieved it.? But again the response is " your just a hater, or the money is in Vegas"? Well that's all good and well if floyd is a businessman but question is are you a legit champion or businessman which is it?

Floyd fans still boast about unbeaten records even though the world doesn't see floyd as unbeaten. And again how floyd conducted career to remain unbeaten isn't a concern for floyd fans, yet how PAC became 8 division champ is? Scrutinised in microscopic detail?

You need to stop trying to be intelligent its not working, we know you're as thick as a brick

Manny is not in Floyds class, that's why he lost 10% of his fights and against B graders Floyd would toy with, a class above is why Floyd beat Pac in cruise control, it's why Ugas beat him and he left a loser. as a boxer, Manny is not in Floyds class and thats a fact.

[hugh grant]

You need to stop trying to be intelligent its not working, we know you're as thick as a brick

Manny is not in Floyds class, that's why he lost 10% of his fights and against B graders Floyd would toy with, a class above is why Floyd beat Pac in cruise control, it's why Ugas beat him and he left a loser. as a boxer, Manny is not in Floyds class and thats a fact.

Why waste 5 minutes of your life replying to me but not addressing anything I bought up clever clogs?
Nelo has surpassed floyd. Nelo can be elusive and scary. Floyd was just elusive.

[KP1]

Some people will go to their graves being unable to accept Mayweather tooled Pac.

Floyd was better, get the **** over it.

[Roadblock]

Why waste 5 minutes of your life replying to me but not addressing anything I bought up clever clogs?
Nelo has surpassed floyd. Nelo can be elusive and scary. Floyd was just elusive.

Im researching fools, you're way in front.

[Stuntman Mike]

Then moving up would have been a logical choice.

That's completely up to him and how his body feels at weights ..some can move up in weight and some can't or feel sluggish...not everybody wants to put themselves at a disadvantage

People like manny and nelo showed they can move up in weight and obviously felt comfortable doing so and golovkin obviously didn't...

The guys still boxing the best of his division to ask someone to put themselves at a disadvantage at a weight they're not good at is asking a bit much regardless of tough talking quotes he may have said

What's next ...are we going to start asking nelo to tie his arms behind his back once he disposes of the few threats he has left or will we expect him to clear out cruiser then heavyweight

[The Big Dunn]

Okay, yes, Mayweather beat them both. He is technically better than both, H2H. He literally went 2-0 vs them. Let’s get that out of the way. No matter how much anyone wants to scream robbery or controversy, the fact remains that Mayweather outboxed and outpointed both Canelo and Pacquiao.

Canelo is a legend. His career is already very unique, one of a kind. He is literally the only Mexican to unify all 4 belts in the 4 belt era. He is the first fighter to unify all belts at 168.

Mayweather didn’t really do anything “unique”. He is great, one of the best without a doubt, but what he did had already been done before him. 50-0, big deal, 1 more win than Marciano’s 49-0. JCC went 89-0-1 before losing, albeit with a highly padded record. Ricardo Lopez went 51-0. Calzaghe went 46-0.

Pacquiao also did something unique, never been done before, champion in 8 weight classes.

I am not saying Canelo and Pacquiao are greater than Mayweather, he beat them both. I am just saying they can say they did something that has never been done before in the 100+ years of professional boxing, Mayweather can’t say that. They stand out. They literally are the first of their kind. Mayweather can just say he is the PPV king. Highest paid athlete of his time. Great accomplishments that was done by the greats before him. But he can’t ever say he did something unique. That is not a knock on his career at all. It’s the truth.

People may bring up his fight vs GGG. But Mayweather also has a similar issue in his career vs Jose Luis Castillo and Maidana I. Pacquiao has the same sh/t, vs Marquez. Close fights vs the best, is not a detriment to one’s career. It’s actually great to see top fighters be tested. Boxing would be boring otherwise.

I have not witnessed many fighters who actually fight every single fighter that their critics ask them to fight. When they asked him to fight them. Like Canelo has. There has yet to be a fighter critics told Canelo he is scared of needs to fight, and Canelo doesn’t take on that challenge.

Who is next? Benavidez is the next one critics are hyping up. That’s how you know they ran out of fighters to hype up. Someone like Benavidez is getting hype now. The guy who fights with his chin out in the open, throws wide punches, has already been put on his ass, literally put on his ass, has already experienced a gift decision over an unknown fighter in Gavril, and has already shown to have stamina issues and has a tendency to punch him self out. This is who they are hyping now.

Personally, I want to see Canelo vs Bivol, Beterbiev and Smith Jr, because I have no interest in reading these awful critics’ excuses after Canelo brutally KO’s Benavidez. I do not want to read about how Benavidez was not ready, he was green, he’s not elite, never beat an elite, Canelo only fought him cause he’s inexperienced and chinny, etc. A bunch of crap. Might as well skip all that, fight Beterbiev and Bivol. Start with Joe Smith Jr as a first, to get a belt. Then unify with the other top guys Beterbiev and Bivol.

If Canelo fights Benavidez and KO’s him into oblivion, Canelo critics will say he beat no one, and that Benavidez was never elite to begin with and had already been exposed by Gavril. And they would be right. Benavidez literally does nothing for Canelo right now. A meaningless fight. Adds zero to Canelo’s HOF legacy.


Ring champion at 154, 160, 168. Next stop should be 175. Beat the best there, unify all the belts and retire.

I’m
He did so something unique- he earned over $1 billion as a boxer. No one else has done that.

The other reason Floyd stands out- whenever any non hwt boxer has a string run- Manny, Loma, canelo, etc.- the first thing posters do is measure them against Floyd and claim them superior.

Notice that all the boxing announcers tend to do this as well, especially the espn guys. He is the measuring stick.

Now why is that the case if he doesn’t stand out?