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  • #71
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

    Oh, you can tell when one fighter is better at the art and science of boxing.

    Prime Chocolatito was a far more skillful boxer than any version of Nikolai Valuev for example.

    That's why P4P is not meaningless. It acknowledges and respects Chocolatito's mastery, even if he had no chance of beating Valuev head-to-head just because of size.
    Lol yeah ok in that respect. But at the end of the day who would ever think to compare chocolatito against Valuev lol. It has no meaningful purpose. I get comparing say, Crawford against Spence. But what's the point in comparing say, either of those two against Inoue. They're never gonna fight. There's no meaningful practicality in it. So we can never know who is better. It's hard enough in this sport trying to find out who is the best in fights that we could get, without wasting time, energy and headspace, on impossible contests.

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    • #72
      Originally posted by denium View Post

      Thanks, but i take it you've never met juggernaut666 ?
      Lol your bumped to no2 on my list. Keep up the good work though. It's what forums are all about lol.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by Rodtang View Post

        Lol your bumped to no2 on my list. Keep up the good work though. It's what forums are all about lol.
        It's all good man, i love the banter.
        Rodtang likes this.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by KingOfGlory View Post

          The current P4P #1 is a redheaded Irishman. What exactly is your point?
          Irish man lmao ive never seen Canelo thank ireland or carey the irish flag or say he fights for ireland. Canelo is Mexican, born and raised, regardless of what he looks like. Its like saying hekkie budler is also European because he’s white completed and blonde hair even tho he was born and raised in south africa. Ignorant

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          • #75
            Originally posted by M312 View Post
            P4P list these days is just who your favourite boxers are. Maybe based on resume, maybe not.

            It was supposed to be to measure stick of 'if everyone was the same size, who would win', but that concept seems completely out the window
            Speed, coordination, stamina does change with size. That's why the 'P4P' number one isn't usually a Heavyweight.

            Scaling up a highly skilled fighter doesn't make a highly skilled heavyweight. It makes a heavyweight.

            It's as legitimate as asking if a scaled up spider could beat a tiger in a fight. It doesn't matter, it couldn't happen.

            No-one does gender for gender, or age for age. Why P4P?

            If the logic is that we need to know who is the best then it's easy. We have an open weight category, with a few contenders who could actually fight each other.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by Toffee View Post

              Speed, coordination, stamina does change with size. That's why the 'P4P' number one isn't usually a Heavyweight.

              Scaling up a highly skilled fighter doesn't make a highly skilled heavyweight. It makes a heavyweight.

              It's as legitimate as asking if a scaled up spider could beat a tiger in a fight. It doesn't matter, it couldn't happen.

              No-one does gender for gender, or age for age. Why P4P?

              If the logic is that we need to know who is the best then it's easy. We have an open weight category, with a few contenders who could actually fight each other.
              But that's exactly what the P4P list was created to be, hence the name.

              You're wanting a top 10 rankings list.

              There is a difference.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by Toffee View Post

                Speed, coordination, stamina does change with size. That's why the 'P4P' number one isn't usually a Heavyweight.

                Scaling up a highly skilled fighter doesn't make a highly skilled heavyweight. It makes a heavyweight.

                It's as legitimate as asking if a scaled up spider could beat a tiger in a fight. It doesn't matter, it couldn't happen.

                No-one does gender for gender, or age for age. Why P4P?

                If the logic is that we need to know who is the best then it's easy. We have an open weight category, with a few contenders who could actually fight each other.
                Heavyweights CAN be highly skilled, coordinated, fast etc. See Ali and Tyson for example.

                In those cases they can certainly be considered for the top P4P spot.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by mexiFistology View Post
                  BUT WHEN IDIOTS HAD LOMACHENKO AS THE NUMBER ONE P4P IN THE WORLD IDIOTS IN THIS WEBSITE INCLUDING KEITH IDEC DIDNT CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES PERSPECTIVE. THEY HAD NO PROBLEM HAVING LOMA AS THE BEST ‍♂️ WHY? WHO KNOWS. Color COMPLEXION??? PROBABLY
                  lomacenko is an awesome fighter, why is terrel crawford rated so high he hasnt beaten anyone. color complexion?

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by denium View Post

                    The opinions of people who matter.
                    Just because you "feel" someone's opinion matters still doesn't make their opinion anything other than an opinion, does it?

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