Why Joshua Seen As Lacking Heart

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  • RoadOfTheGypsy
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    #21
    Originally posted by revelated

    And that's why I'm telling people here and also on Reddit because I'm seeing a LOT of people who just don't understand what a FIGHT is anymore because they haven't seen them like the old days.

    a FIGHT is two guys trying to hurt each other.

    That's not what Joshua does anymore.

    That's not what Frank Sanchez does.

    I can forgive weight classes under heavyweight. I can't forgive any heavyweight who does not go in there with intent to inflict damage. I cannot, and I will not.

    Wilder and Fury showed us what FIGHTERS look like at heavyweight. It doesn't matter what the outcome was. They went in there trying to hurt each other and frankly, succeeded. In the meanwhile they entertained the fans for the first time in a LONG time, as far as heavyweights go. They showed us what a heavyweight FIGHT is supposed to look like. It's not supposed to be a boxing masterclass.

    What frustrates me is, Tons of people are criticizing the lack of skill in that fight and they say it wasn't that good. Yet I GUARANDAMNTEE you, the next time Erislandy Lara, Shakur Stevenson or Devin Haney go in there, there will be a ton of complaints.

    Hypocrisy.
    Indeed the heavyweights are the behemoths swinging away.

    I know it would be easy to say we should just watch street fights on the internet, but not so, there is a way to box that is brutal and full of skill. Going forward is a lost art, the way Kownacki does it is he blocks punches with his face, but guys like Mike Tyson showed skill and aggression, best of both worlds which also made him a household name.

    Even in his 50s, his fight was the biggest PPV of the year.

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    • Carpe Diem
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      #22
      Because most people look at him as the ideal “build a character” heavyweight prototype. He has everything you’d want a heavyweight boxer to have in terms of appeal, but he simply doesn’t have the grits, heart, hunger and toughness to match that look. He’s missing all of those intangibles to become the “IT” factor that Eddie Hearn desperately tries to sell him as.

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      • Motofan
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        #23
        I think it’s his media personality and how happily he accepts losses. He comes off VERY soft, almost effeminate whenever he speaks. Every time he loses he seems like he’s relieved the pressure is off of him more than upset that he lost.

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        • BodyBagz
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          #24
          Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
          he has heart imo

          But the way others speak of him. As if he needs to train his heart

          Is it because he's the division's pretty boy
          He appeared gun shy vs Andy 2 and Usyk. He has to get back to being dominant and make it clear his opponent is in for a fcked up night.

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          • Lance98
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            #25
            If he doesn't have heart, he wouldn't have gotten this far, you armchair boxing keyboard warriors.

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            • Toffee
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              #26
              He's got plenty of heart. He's been hit by some big men and come back.

              The question is whether he's got enough aggression, but I think that's a style of his choosing.

              We'll see in the rematch.

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              • Boxing56
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                #27
                He makes it very obvious from his facial expressions that he hates getting punched. Everyone hates getting punched but fighters are usually really good at making it seem like it didn't really bother them but AJ makes it really obvious and he falls apart. Plus he definitely needs a new trainer or he won't beat Usyk.

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                • KidDinamita
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                  #28
                  For sure he has heart, but sometimes the way he thinks in the ring, I think he still has some flashbacks of Ruiz 1.

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                  • deathofaclown
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                    #29
                    He used to, I think it left him, or got knocked out of him.

                    It properly started when he spat out his gum shield v Ruiz and let the ref wave it off

                    In the fight with Usyk, he accepted defeat by the 10th and showed no urgency to leave it all in the ring.

                    In reality he’s been getting more timid since the Wlad fight.

                    The Usyk fight confirmed to me he’s not willing to dig as deep as other fighters to try to win. Even if he was to still lose, he could’ve left it all in the ring but he checked out after 9 or 10 rounds with his belts on the line and let them go.

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                    • Earl-Hickey
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                      #30
                      I think what we might be looking at is a case of the silk pyjamas syndrome.

                      I rewatch Ed the AJ vs Whyte fight the other day and I couldn't belive the difference in psychology between the AJ then and the one of the last 2-3 years.

                      They've spent years trying to make him this PC, Ghandi like figure, and I think that, combined with the money has softened the guy up. He doesn't look interested in fighting anymore to me, and if he's insisting on keeping the same set up, I think it's over.


                      I would be stunned if he turns it around in the rematch
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