Wilder vs Prime Haye?

[BodyBagz]

He can’t tell you a name because there is none.

He was a very good, but hyped up English fighter. He showed a lot of power, which will get you in fans good graces depending on where you are from. He had big hyped up, domestic fights vs other popular English fighters Audley Harrison and Dereck Chisora, and he won by stoppage.

His other big wins were against a very old, past his best John Ruiz and a big awful fighter in Nioklai Valuev. Valuev should have lost to a 49 year old Holyfield right before losing to Haye, and you can argue that the past prime Ruiz beat him twice too. Haye just finally got the win that judges refused to give Holyfield and Ruiz.

His CW run was hyped up to the max because of his power. It’s not like Usyk’s run where he was beating very good fighters. Haye doesn’t even believe in his own hype. He was stopped easily by the unknown Carl Thompson, never even rematched him. Had toe issues vs Wlad, but didn’t want a rematch.

Wilder rematched both of his toughest opponents. Ortiz hurt him and fans say he could have won? Okay, rematch. Tyson Fury should have won the first fight? Okay rematch. Tyson Fury beat the sh/t of me in the rematch? Okay trilogy.

Different sized balls there. Get out of here with the David Haye hype.

Whenever a fight fan can't name a guys best win but goes on emotional rants, we already have the answer.
Oldtiz would give HW Haye a tough fight.

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Haye was arguably an even bigger puncher than Wilder. He definitely hit harder than Ortiz and Fury. If he landed that overhand right hand of his Wilder would be in trouble.

lol no he wasnt

[elfag]

a few highlight clips of wilder missing haye in sparring doesnt convince me of hayes chances. wilder misses ALL THE TIME


I just dont know that haye is good enough to avoid the right hand for 12 rounds. i mean hell in 3 fights only 1 of them he didnt get dropped and only 2 fights did wilder ever go the distance ever. Haye has a slickster style but that dont mean he cant get hit over 12.

[M312]

He can’t tell you a name because there is none.

He was a very good, but hyped up English fighter. He showed a lot of power, which will get you in fans good graces depending on where you are from. He had big hyped up, domestic fights vs other popular English fighters Audley Harrison and Dereck Chisora, and he won by stoppage.

His other big wins were against a very old, past his best John Ruiz and a big awful fighter in Nioklai Valuev. Valuev should have lost to a 49 year old Holyfield right before losing to Haye, and you can argue that the past prime Ruiz beat him twice too. Haye just finally got the win that judges refused to give Holyfield and Ruiz.

His CW run was hyped up to the max because of his power. It’s not like Usyk’s run where he was beating very good fighters. Haye doesn’t even believe in his own hype. He was stopped easily by the unknown Carl Thompson, never even rematched him. Had toe issues vs Wlad, but didn’t want a rematch.

Wilder rematched both of his toughest opponents. Ortiz hurt him and fans say he could have won? Okay, rematch. Tyson Fury should have won the first fight? Okay rematch. Tyson Fury beat the sh/t of me in the rematch? Okay trilogy.

Different sized balls there. Get out of here with the David Haye hype.

I don't name a name because it's pointless. Wilder hasn't beaten anyone either. The poster I was replying to had clearly never watched Haye fight, other than maybe Bellew. Judging by his responses I think it's clear he probably wasn't even a teenager when Haye was fighting.

I don't think saying Haye or Wilder winning is unreasonable. I think suggesting Haye hasn't got power or can't control himself in the ring is absolute nonsense.

Haye let himself down v Wlad. The reason was his reluctance to trade. He was waiting for his opportunity to counter, thought he was in Wlads head and he would open up, but Wlad just doesn't do that anymore. Wlad became very robotic and would only open up when he had to. You rarely see him off balance or throwing a right hand unless necessary. Haye should've had a Plan B, but didn't. I mean, the blueprint to beat him was there. Fight smart, don't let him get in your head.

V Wilder it's a different story. This guy is always off balance, even with a jab. He is ready made for a counter puncher to absolutely flatten. Just watch the YouTube video.

If you want to believe that Wilder wins, that's great, he's a huge puncher, so no problem. But my disagreement with the other poster was more to do with the fact he's clearly never watch Haye fight outside maybe Bellew. 100% of his thoughts about him were flat our wrong.

[M312]

a few highlight clips of wilder missing haye in sparring doesnt convince me of hayes chances. wilder misses ALL THE TIME


I just dont know that haye is good enough to avoid the right hand for 12 rounds. i mean hell in 3 fights only 1 of them he didnt get dropped and only 2 fights did wilder ever go the distance ever. Haye has a slickster style but that dont mean he cant get hit over 12.

You miss v Haye like that and you are getting countered. That's Wilders problem in this fight. Styles make fights and the only thing Haye would be waiting for is that counter shot.

[-Kev-]

He had the power of Samson coursing through his braids (corn rolls ?)

Lol.

"Haye was favored against Fury...that should tell you everything about him!"

Deontay Wilder and Wladimir Klitschko were favored over Tyson Fury. That meant nothing in the ring. But I guess all these fighters being favored vs Fury should tell us everything we need to know about Fury? That he just isn't good enough to be favored over any top fighter? Or that we as fans suck at predictions?

When I am wrong, I am wrong. I admit it, and I praise the underdog who keeps proving everyone wrong.

But some boxing fans seem to keep praising the favorite who keeps losing.

Hell, Haye and his mouth led to him just being a slight underdog vs Wladimir Klitschko. He was a very live dog. He won 2-3 rounds. If it wasn't for his unwarranted hype, he would have been a much bigger underdog.

Haye was favored over Bellew in the first fight where he blamed his loss on an injury. Okay, injuries happen in boxing, it's believable. An injury can really be the sole reason for a loss or bad performance, I get that. But then he was stopped in the second fight even quicker, when he was free of injuries. In his 3 HW losses, there was some issue going on with him. He never just lost fair and square.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Haye was too difficult to hit, he had one of the best defenses in recent times.

Haye did not win his fight vs Kiltschko, but he was hardly hit 'At 6"3 216 pounds, he was at times evading punches with his hands down' And that was up against a peak Wladimir Kiltschko.

I think Haye hits Wilder before, Wilder hits him 'Wide swinging punches, is just a bad recipe for a attack of a peak David Haye'.

David Haye wins via stoppage, you can see how Haye would beat Deontay Wilder from their sparring Footage.

A peak David Haye beats these current version of Tyson Fury & Deontay Wilder, they are all over the place 'And too clumsy'.

I am actually theorizing whether Tyson Fury is evolving back into the clumsy kid 'Kronk Clumsy Kid'.

[Earl-Hickey]

a few highlight clips of wilder missing haye in sparring doesnt convince me of hayes chances. wilder misses ALL THE TIME


I just dont know that haye is good enough to avoid the right hand for 12 rounds. i mean hell in 3 fights only 1 of them he didnt get dropped and only 2 fights did wilder ever go the distance ever. Haye has a slickster style but that dont mean he cant get hit over 12.

Put it this way.

Wilder took something like 8 or 9 rounds to finally land on Arthur Szpila and shipped repeated right hands until he did.

Haye is more elusive and hits WAAAAAY harder than Szpilka.

I can look at that fight and say quite clearly, there's the blueprint for Haye to beat wilder, and he's more than capable of carrying it out. Do what Szplilka did, you are faster, more elusive and a ko artist, Szplilka is none of those things.

What's Wilders blueprint to beat Haye?

He's so many levels below prime Wlad technically to follow that game plan. I suppose he could hope Haye is shot aka the Bellew game plan.

Or he could follow the Thompson blueprint and fight a green Haye who was partying at the playboy mansion and had no stamina.

Sometimes you need to cut through the BS, examine both fighters in their primes and when I do that, I think Haye gives Wilder a major headache tbh

[Dodger07]

Bad match up for wilder imo Haye would've been too hard to hit and was a great puncher himself