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  • The plunger man
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    #31
    Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

    Joshua has fought the better opposition that's true but he's never faced anyone with the right hand power or speed of wilder and Joshua has fallen to a lot let dangerous weapons ...it's Joshua's preferred fight distance and static head movement that plays into wilders strength

    Wilder had also proved he has more heart than Joshua especially after last night's fight

    I feel wilder just has to land that shot once and I believe he would in a tough test for both fighters...I just feel Joshua folds sooner and once he's hurt he stays hurt wilder recovers....Joshua gets hit and if he plays defensive and keeps it long he's in ramge for that dangerous right hand
    well wilder had the chance and turned down Joshua so we would have found out.
    losing to usyk to usyk by trying to outbox him is not the end of the world as usyk is a master technician and would tie wilder in knots....yes wilder can land that right hand but as I said I will take the boxer with the better technique and punch variation over a fighter with no defence , no jab , bad balance and just a right hand any day of the week.
    and to say Joshua has no heart when he went back and forth with klitchcko 11 rounds is wrong...totally wrong and he also did that with whyte.
    yes and klitchcko poleaxed wilder several times lol
    maybe Joshua has gone soft and lost his tenacity but I will certainly not count Joshua out against usyk in the rematch if he fights to his strengths.........even in Joshua 17 pro fight he stepped in the ring with klitchcko so desire or heart was not a problem.
    In 95% of wilders defences he was losing....both Ortiz fights , spilka , duhaupas , Washington and was even rocked by molina......Joshua mauled him.
    claiming wilder beats Joshuas on the basis of who wilder beat is way off.
    joshua continually steps in the ring with dangerous high level fighters in klitchcko and usyk ....who has wilder done that with but as I said I don’t we will find out because I think wilder is finished now.

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      #32
      Originally posted by QballLobo
      Rewatched the fight early this morning.
      There are at least 4 moments where any other fighter gets dropped for good with what Wilder was throwing.
      Fury was just that rare combination of size, length, and enough movement to keep Wilder guessing and tiring him out.
      Its unfortunate that Wilder didn’t expand his game when he was younger to go along with that power. He relied to much on that bomb in his right hand.
      How do we know that? One could argue that Wilder has only really fought two legit guys and most of his record is made up of absolute pies.

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        #33
        Originally posted by champion4ever
        As a Deontay Wiolder fan; I take that as a compliment. It just goes to show how good Deontay Wilder really is by only losing to the best heavyweight on the planet in Tyson Fury.
        here is the ret ard who guaranteed wider would annihilate fury 100 times in the buildup to the fight. will you kneel to your master fury and admit how dumb you are? are you on suicide watch?

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          #34
          Originally posted by revelated

          Same could be said of Crawford - yet people swear he's the best fighter in the world. What's different?
          Beating wilder 3 times is not a yard stick on fury beating everybody else....especially after the 2nd fight when fury dominated him.....which in reality is what he did in the 3 rd fight and wilder was cooked by the 5th....who did wilder improve from the 2nd fight except gain more weight and take more punches....after the 2nd round his jab disappeared to the body and he reverted back to exactly how he boxed before.
          at least with Crawford he has dominated in his divisions while moving up and has beaten Gamboa , Khan , brook , horn etc and was a champion in 3 weights division and that’s exactly why Crawford is ranked as P4P ....3 weight world champion so that what’s different for a start

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            #35
            Originally posted by The plunger man
            well wilder had the chance and turned down Joshua so we would have found out.
            losing to usyk to usyk by trying to outbox him is not the end of the world as usyk is a master technician and would tie wilder in knots....yes wilder can land that right hand but as I said I will take the boxer with the better technique and punch variation over a fighter with no defence , no jab , bad balance and just a right hand any day of the week.
            and to say Joshua has no heart when he went back and forth with klitchcko 11 rounds is wrong...totally wrong and he also did that with whyte.
            yes and klitchcko poleaxed wilder several times lol
            maybe Joshua has gone soft and lost his tenacity but I will certainly not count Joshua out against usyk in the rematch if he fights to his strengths.........even in Joshua 17 pro fight he stepped in the ring with klitchcko so desire or heart was not a problem.
            In 95% of wilders defences he was losing....both Ortiz fights , spilka , duhaupas , Washington and was even rocked by molina......Joshua mauled him.
            claiming wilder beats Joshuas on the basis of who wilder beat is way off.
            joshua continually steps in the ring with dangerous high level fighters in klitchcko and usyk ....who has wilder done that with but as I said I don’t we will find out because I think wilder is finished now.
            I'm not claiming wilder beats Joshua on wins its more of a styles make fights sort of thing ...

            Alis loses to frazier ...Ali and frazier are then evenly matched against each other in the other two fights

            Ali loses to Ken Norton and struggles with Norton in the two rematches ,this is all after ali dominates liston and is already established as an atg


            Foreman builds up to a ranking then obliterates joe frazier (has fraziers number in every department almost toying with the guy that gave Ali absolute hell for 3 fights)...foreman always had power and some people would think it was a fluke back in the day possibly

            Then foreman manhandled and dominates Ken Norton who gave Ali hell in 3 fights


            Then he fights an already way past his best Ali and gets made to look amateurish then kod


            Foreman looked superior against frazier and Norton none of them looked like they belonged in there with foreman

            ali was very competitive with Norton and frazier they both looked like they belonged in the ring together


            Foreman didn't look like he belonged in the ring with Ali

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              #36
              Originally posted by Szef
              id like to see joshua vs wilder more than ever now

              AJ would be by far the hardest puncher deontay ever faced

              i still think joshua blows him away but wilder showed me something i didnt think he had last night so i won't now be surprised if its the other way around and wilder ices him
              yes wilder showed me that he is a heavy bag has no stamina took a savage beating that will be permanent

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                #37
                Originally posted by denium

                Wilder would've iced Joshua. AJ would've been terrified of him when he faced up the bronze bomber in the flesh.
                Nope, Wilder turned his back on that fight along with a career best payday.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by AboutBillions

                  Wilder has been the only guy to do that to fury
                  fury gave wilder 2 savage beatings and if wider wasnt juiced for this fight he would have not lasted as long

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                    #39
                    The difference for me is how Fury leaned on him with his weight and tired him out while not getting dropped for good. Guys Fury size usually can’t move well enough to get inside like him and have the speed to make Wilder pay once he was gassed and those hands dropped.
                    How many heavyweights would do that to Wilder? Joshua’s not doing that for sure. Ruiz and Usyk got to him easily. I think Wilder would as well.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

                      I'm not claiming wilder beats Joshua on wins its more of a styles make fights sort of thing ...

                      Alis loses to frazier ...Ali and frazier are then evenly matched against each other in the other two fights

                      Ali loses to Ken Norton and struggles with Norton in the two rematches ,this is all after ali dominates liston and is already established as an atg


                      Foreman builds up to a ranking then obliterates joe frazier (has fraziers number in every department almost toying with the guy that gave Ali absolute hell for 3 fights)...foreman always had power and some people would think it was a fluke back in the day possibly

                      Then foreman manhandled and dominates Ken Norton who gave Ali hell in 3 fights


                      Then he fights an already way past his best Ali and gets made to look amateurish then kod


                      Foreman looked superior against frazier and Norton none of them looked like they belonged in there with foreman

                      ali was very competitive with Norton and frazier they both looked like they belonged in the ring together


                      Foreman didn't look like he belonged in the ring with Ali
                      But Ali did not want a 2nd part with Foreman because he knew something we did not.
                      Ali, like Fury, won that fight before he entered the ring, with mind games. Go ask Foreman's dogs, who were poisoned.

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