How low is AJ's boxing IQ?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

It's pretty difficult to gauge when he's still trying to learn at age 32 when he should stick to what works best for him and master it. You can't be a jack of all trades in boxing whilst experimenting things at the top level. If you want to keep experimenting - you shouldn't have moved as fast he did. Hearn's greed pushed him into the bottomless pit and the tired excuse of still learning on the job is boring now. And you don't improve your boxing IQ with an amateur coach - a boxer is a product of his trainer. He just happened to have overachieved despite amateur coaching.

He better stick to what works for him and master it and use his tools else he'll end up with brain damage. And the idiocy about fighting till his late 30s is very laughable.

The old “he’s still learning on the job” excuse.

He’s 32, 8 years pro, 25 fights, 10 world title fights, impressive amateur background.

A novice like Campbell Hatton is “learning on the job”. Joshua is simply a flawed fighter.

[Floyd is TBE]

Hard to say. The fact that his gameplan was to outbox Usyk shows it isn't the highest but his successful in the mid rounds shows he's not a total dummy.

That was the gameplan he needed. Look at what happened when AJ tried to **** with Ruiz. He's not a ****er. He's a boxer, but just not as good as Usyk.

[dan_cov]

Usyk is the man but no doubt AJ came into the fight with a horrible plan I think.

I don't think he wasn't expecting Usyk to come out like that, take centre ring and after getting hit with some really hard shots early the gameplan probably went out of the window a little bit. Usyks speed, accuracy likely really through him off.
When you've got everyone blowing smoke up your a55 claiming you're too big and the other guy can't hurt you and he comes out, tries pushing you back and instantly shows he can hurt you & puts you on your heels it changes things.
Usyk finally slows a little and you think you're figuring him out then he adjusts and ups the tempo.
I'm not sure I'd say AJs ring IQ was low its more Usyk is just more talented, experienced and processes things extremely quickly plus he has a tremendously experienced team that are super technical.

I think AJ made some good adjustments that seen him have some decent success in the mid rounds I don't think a low I.Q fighter gets himself back in the fight to some extent like he did.

Usyk is just a professor. 350 fights at the level he's fought at, he's seen everything so many, many times.

[4truth]

I think people underestimate the value of a really good trainer. Holyfield for instance. Loses to Bowe, hires Manny Steward for the rematch and wins it. For whatever reason he drops Steward and loses the the 3rd fight.

Steward, for all practical purposes, saved Wlad’s career. Wlad has a similar low ring IQ to Joshua’s. They are impressive athletes but really not natural fighters.

[BangEM]

What's funny? I just said the truth. You don't take an exam before reading.

Still trying to learn new tricks at this stage against world class boxers would end in brain damage. You perfect your tools at this stage and use them to the best of your ability.

Having greedy people around you who're looking to prolong a career that should be at its tail end with 2 big fights left and an exhibition - for financial gains - would end up turning him into a damaged boxer.

[Boxing-1013]

Low but it's still higher than the IQs of his fans

[billeau2]

- -Genius compared to Ooze-
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Sigh... you are an idiot

[billeau2]

It's pretty difficult to gauge when he's still trying to learn at age 32 when he should stick to what works best for him and master it. You can't be a jack of all trades in boxing whilst experimenting things at the top level. If you want to keep experimenting - you shouldn't have moved as fast he did. Hearn's greed pushed him into the bottomless pit and the tired excuse of still learning on the job is boring now. And you don't improve your boxing IQ with an amateur coach - a boxer is a product of his trainer. He just happened to have overachieved despite amateur coaching.

He better stick to what works for him and master it and use his tools else he'll end up with brain damage. And the idiocy about fighting till his late 30s is very laughable.

Great post

[BangEM]

The old “he’s still learning on the job” excuse.

He’s 32, 8 years pro, 25 fights, 10 world title fights, impressive amateur background.

A novice like Campbell Hatton is “learning on the job”. Joshua is simply a flawed fighter.

He had only 41 amateur fights and he ought to getting into world title fights now if his career had been managed properly by experienced people. he just happened to have had a very greedy promoter. Okolie is another one that would end up worse than him but I'm happy he didn't move up to HW after winning the world title like Hearn was pushing for.

Wilder didn't fight for a world title until his 33rd fight and Fury didn't fight for a world title until his 25th fight.

People forget Fury is only a year older than AJ because he looks old but he turned pro 5 years before AJ.

And he's not a flawed fighter - he's just an insecure/confused fighter who's trying to assimilate too many things at once. If he can stick to things that work perfectly for him and master them - he'd be unbeatable. When you're trying to be Mayweather, Tyson, Wlad, Lennox and Ali in one - you'd look flawed. Be Anthony Joshua and use your best attributes albeit with a better trainer that understands the sport at the top level.

[ELPacman]

Honestly, it isn't that his IQ is terribly low, it is just he's not as complete of a fighter as the hype initially had you believe. We know now that he's vulnerable and not perfect at all. He can be hit, he can be rocked, and if he faces a boxer, he can be neutralized pretty effectively. Granted it is easier said than done for any of his opponents to pull off because while he's not perfect, they need to perform a perfect fight as well because he can easily turn the tide with any given shot.

I just think he came at the right time. Old champ on the way out, new champ on the way in. Collected all the belts. Faced some meh competition and avoided the ones people truly want to see because of an unsure outcome on those (Wilder, Fury). Yet even trying to dance around stronger competition, you'll get those upset moments from the ones you didn't expect to be much of an issue for you (Ruiz, Usyk).

Aj easily outdid Ruiz in the rematch but Ruiz looked like a PHAAAAT piece of sh!!!t who really didn't care about training for it. Despite that, Aj put on a whatever boxing performance to keep Ruiz away from him for 12 rds.

I don't think it'll be as easy against Usyk in rematch. Usyk won't abandon training completely and will take the rematch as serious as the first fight. If anything, it might be more of a concern for Aj because I think Usyk was more effective when Aj got a little too active. Usyk just might be a bad matchup overall for Aj no matter what.