If weight matters in punching power why does Wilder hit harder than Ruiz ?

[WillieWild114]

Wilder punches much harder than Ruiz despite Ruiz 40 lb advantage why is this ?

[PeepeePoopooMan]

So the fatter you are the harder you punch?

If anything it's because their hand is heavy. Fat people barely have knuckles. Also windmill has steel in his hands so that's why.

[QueensburyRules]

Wilder punches much harder than Ruiz despite Ruiz 40 lb advantage why is this ?

- -Because U dumber than dented noggin Deyonce, obviously.

[Tails]

Couple of things to take into consideration.

Weight makes a difference not so much because of how much power you can generate at the beginning of the fight but because of how that weight translates over the duration of the entire fight. When both guys start to fatigue the heavier person will naturally have more weight in their arm punches. Also in an exchange where two people are throwing simultaneously such as jabs, the heavier jab usually wins as it pushes the other one out of the way.

Once you start getting into the 200+ weight category power starts getting factored into the equation a little differently. Everyone pretty much has a solid hit to hurt someone if they can land decent. The Ruiz and Wilder example provided needs to be looked at two ways.

Against Wilder you want to just avoid the right hand and the measuring jab so you don't get lined up with it. Meaning you can exchange with him no problems just be mindful of that one shot.

Against someone like Ruiz you want to not approach him the same way as Wilder. Don't exchange with him because he carries so much weight that it would be easy for him to wear you down.

[Gate keeper]

Well it's simple physics - force is directly proportional to momentum which is proportional to velocity and mass. So more mass or velocity generally equates to a larger force or punching power in this case.

If a person has more natural bodyweight, that generally translates in to more mass although that could come at the cost of speed, especially if a fighter is too fat - thus the drop is velocity cancels out the increase in mass. A fighter could also just be heavy handed and have more mass in his hand than is typical. In Deontay Wilder's case, he winds up his power punches to increase the velocity so he gets more force, often at the cost of basic boxing ability. So ultimately it's never as simple as more or less body weight when it comes to punching power.

But in all honesty, who were all these people claiming more weight meant more punching power? I don't think ever seen such a claim.

[Toffee]

Would you rather be hit by a bike at 30 mph or a truck?

It's a combination of speed, force and of course technique.

People talk about the right hand that Wilder landed on Fury early in the rematch. It was a swing from distance. Not like the punch against Breazeale where he was lined up behind the punch and delivered it with speed, force and technique.

Wilder's technique is so poor beyond that straight right that he can't really hurt you any other way.

[TMLT87]

Weight is just one factor that goes into it. Theres also speed, mechanics and stuff that isnt even about pure force generation ie timing and accuracy.

Tbf Ruiz might actually hit harder than Wilder with certain shots, who knows. Little stocky guys tend to be good with hooks and body work. Obviously Wilders right hand is a cannon though.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Weight is just one factor that goes into it. Theres also speed, mechanics and stuff that isnt even about pure force generation ie timing and accuracy.

Tbf Ruiz might actually hit harder than Wilder with certain shots, who knows. Little stocky guys tend to be good with hooks and body work. Obviously Wilders right hand is a cannon though.

Force is also generated by your muscles and tendons, explosiveness is how much force you can apply in the shortest amount of time. Mike Tyson for example was a explosive puncher, how else was he able to knock out Francis Botha 'With only a few inches of space to generate power' there is no heavyweight in the game active right now, with that type of destructive range.

Mass or just weight alone, is only one factor which has a affect on punching power 'It is not the determining most important factor'.

Tyson Fury is not a strong man in comparison to his size, you only have to look at his weight lifting video's to see that. Fury probably has good static strength, which is why he appears to be physically strong in clinches and just in general wrestling about with his opponents.

But in terms of punching power, his force generation is nothing great, which is why he does not hit as hard as you would expect. Real punches don't rely mass, to back up their punches 'This is a new obsession, which has only really been increasing since the arrival of the super heavyweights'.

Force generation.

Muscle recruitment, and explosiveness. I.E In short amount of time, a Olympic Weight Lifter or 100m sprinter can recruit a large number of muscle fibers to fire all at once. This is part of the reason those Olympic Lifters at low body weights, are lifting multiple times their own body weight 'Because their nervous systems and recruitment is extremely efficient'.

Mass is just one factor, it is not the determining factor.

Is the heaviest heavyweight active now the hardest puncher? No.

Tendons store and release energy, like coiled springs. Basketball players, Sprinters, Olympic Lifters again all of these type of athletes will have very strong tendons.

Wilder probably hits harder with his best punch, than most heavyweights due to Tendon strength, muscle recruitment, force generation 'Also he has some sort of complex with his power' He has a unique relationship with his punching power, it is as if it is separate from him, but a ability that can be called upon'. A bit like Thor's Hammer, it is separate from him but only Thor can command and control that type of power.

Wilder just survives, stays game, and keeps trying 'That is his simple game plan'. And he keeps calling upon his power, it may not be there in round 1 but? At some point in all of his fights, his power always surfaces. That is why I disagreed with the second fight being stopped 'I understand why it was stopped, but if a fighter like Wilder is still trying. You just don't take him out of the fight'.

Ruiz Junior and Anthony Joshua, probably have more range with their power than Deontay Wilder.

[billeau2]

Wilder punches much harder than Ruiz despite Ruiz 40 lb advantage why is this ?

Its a great question, but a loaded question because people make certain assumptions. Ill explain it the way I understand it...You will no doubt encounter significant disagreements, best to take all the responses in and make your own decision.

The formula for generating force involves two variables, speed and mass. Most people assume that mass somehow is prominent. There are other things to consider as well, some apply to boxing, some do not... for example, Pounds per a square inch. If I hit you with my whole fist on your chest, the blow, upon impact, will spread a significant amount of force through your skin, fat, bones... If I hit you with the tip of my thumb, there is less of this spreading because the force is concentrated on a smaller area, hence, the blow will do a lot more damage, all things being equal. A nail goes through a plank of wood easier with the same strike from a hammer, than a large chisel hit with the same force.

In boxing this effect can be somewhat exploited with accurate punching, but the big gloves do not allow a true connection and the gloves dissipate a lot of the force of a blow. This is a major reason why boxing styles changed over the years... older styles had that connection and consequently guys punched differently.

Then there is biomechanics efficiency, or form used on the punch. All trained fighters variate considerably from the way we originally were designed to throw blows by our natural evolution. Look at a chimp to see how we are supposed to amble and punch down on an object. The proof of this is how our bodies evolved to protect vulnerable areas... hitting down our forehead protects the eyes, throat, groin, etc... Hit up, or straight, all these areas are exposed. Hence, how a trained fighter approaches the art of striking another individual.

Dempsey wrote the Tome on punching, what makes it strong... It has to do with using weight, understanding when our weight settles, and extension of the punching hand.

Speed and mass are the two variables that are left to control. We can control speed by punching faster, we can control mass by using our body properly and having more weight. Within these limits you see some surprising facts. For one thing, the best punchers are seldom the largest heavyweights. this could be for any number of reasons: Speed of delivery, biomechanics efficiency, might be more important than just plain mass/weight.

At any rate weight is not IMO the primary consideration for a strong punch. There is ample evidence to prove this... Danielle Wolf a female boxer @140 pounds out punched an MMA heavyweight champ on a machine that registers punching force... There was more than 40 pounds weight difference between them...

Hope this helps

[Thuglife Nelo]

You guys are nerds.

Wilder’s has wide length for sharp powerful CROSSES. That shot alone doesn’t mean it “hits harder” than a Ruiz. Andy Ruiz could easily move a heavyweight with combinations better than Wilder. Why? Because Wilder is a range striker. Wilder is no inside fighter and he don’t got the weight to bully guys in an inside fight. I think Andy Ruiz would ragdoll Wilder. Haymon hasn’t set it up yet.