Comments Thread For: Dana White Erupts Over Triller PPV With Holyfield-Belfort, Silva-Ortiz

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I enjoy seeing a fighter develop, too, and have followed a lot of boxing careers in the past. They all culminated in master vs master, but that's not what's happening today. Careers, today, stagnate and if they ever fight (Brook, Khan) it's well past their physical peak (Canelo, GGG, Mayweather, Pacquiao) and it's even worse today where it's become rare to see more than 2 title fights a year - and no COVID has nothing to do with this, it was **** match-matching before and after C19.

I believe that this assertion that 'the best do not fight the best ' in boxing, is UFC/MMA fanboy propaganda. We seen the WBSS crown undisputed world-champions in the last few years, multiple times.

Independently, Jose Ramirez and Josh Taylor crowned the second undisputed champion at 140 in the last three years, even Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano had a showdown for the jr. middleweight crown a few months ago. Before that, Teofimo Lopez beat Vasily Lomachenko for the lightweight lineage ; at Superfly, Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada unified for the 115 lineage. Deontay 'Bronze-Bomber' Wilder vs. Tyson Fury fought for the lineage, when Anthony Joshua was upset by Andy Ruiz.

Saul Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant are headed for the first ever 'Undisputed' title at 168. Brandon Figueroa and Stephen Fulton are also going to unify 122 in November.

Listen, even in terms of activity the UFC cant compete with boxing global events happening around the world from multiple contents every month -- I watch these significant fights; some are even world title bouts. I really feel that there is a trend of lies, clichés and ignorant statements made by pro-MMA fans, even the majority of boxing fans that are casuals regurgitate this false narrative, due to frustration that certain fights take some time to materialize. But every thing that is right with boxing and the progress that is being made to ensure the future of the sport gets no applaud or recognition by the ignorant media and dumb fans.

You need to revisit MMA. The game is leaps and bounds from what it used to be. In fact, the talent gets better every year. There's no more lay and pray, which put me off watching it for years. You get stood up now and the majority of fights are exciting. The difference just between 2018 and 2021 alone is staggering. I liken it to how boxing began - it was crude and basic to begin with but with time fighters got better.

The issue I have is not so much the sloppy techniques and wild savage violence, its the lack of display of the martial-arts in its PURE form ; the lack of credibility. You said the ref stands the combatants up, so that they can deliver some wild KO's ( I guess ) and entertainment.

The problem I have is that you should let the BJJ or wrestler keep the opponent on the ground, what ****** fans consider 'lay and pray' is actually needed time to rest, and form a strategy, whilst you have your rival neutralized ; only a fool would let his opponent up when he has the mount -- that in itself cost MMA any credibility in terms of real competition and actual combat.

That is like telling Guillermo Rigondeoux that he can not use his brilliant footwork because the fans are booing -- I would literally destroy the sport.

A lack of understanding and appreciation for the true Martial-Art, is what makes many ' Just Bleed fans ' ( which is the majority of MMA fans ) BOO the master at work -- if there is even any true masters around MMA anymore, I heard that a BJJ with a purple belt can enter the UFC, you dont even need a Black-Belt to enter the ' Prestigious' MMA league! So Zuffa, dilutes the real art to appease the consumer, and you get a crap hybrid-sport, full of back-flips now, using the cage to push off and land 'Superman' punches, WOW!! the idiot fans say .

The Olympic combat sports are more enjoyable for me, because they are closer to the pure art-form : like, Boxing, Judo, Karate, Taekwondo, even wrestling is more legit and competitive than MMA as far as I'm concern.

Dana White pays his fighters fairly. That's all that matters. Whether Vitor was paid a billion dollars for a boxing fight is neither here nor there. In the end, the Vitor Holyfield fight wasn't worth $10 and was disgraceful. Also, fighters know what they're getting themselves into when they pursue a career in MMA or boxing and if they've squandered their money on lavish lifestyle they have no one but themselves to blame if they can't afford medical bills. NO ONE is going to step into an octagon if they're not being paid well.

You seem to take pride in Vitor being paid millions for an abysmal fight, like it's a win for boxing. It's not. It was a crap boxing fight and the public were fleeced, and just another nail in the coffin. Boxing is dying, and people like you are still gloating, "But our fighters make millions....". See if that lasts another decade.

I will just listen to the actual UFC fighters -- that still have a contract.

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I believe that this assertion that 'the best do not fight the best ' in boxing, is UFC/MMA fanboy propaganda. We seen the WBSS crown undisputed world-champions in the last few years, multiple times.

Independently, Jose Ramirez and Josh Taylor crowned the second undisputed champion at 140 in the last three years, even Jermell Charlo vs. Brian Castano had a showdown for the jr. middleweight crown a few months ago. Before that, Teofimo Lopez beat Vasily Lomachenko for the lightweight lineage ; at Superfly, Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada unified for the 115 lineage. Deontay 'Bronze-Bomber' Wilder vs. Tyson Fury fought for the lineage, when Anthony Joshua was upset by Andy Ruiz.

Saul Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant are headed for the first ever 'Undisputed' title at 168. Brandon Figueroa and Stephen Fulton are also going to unify 122 in November.

The negative stereotypes about boxing can be a bit exaggerated, but there is still plenty of truth to it. A lot of being a boxing fan revolves around waiting for a fight to happen. Is there ever a point where we are in the moment and there arent obvious big elephant in the room fights that are getting marinated to **** that loom over the sport? We spend literal years watching X fight A,B,C and D while Y fights E,F,G and H and throughout everyone is asking when X and Y will fight each other. This is not completely unheard of in MMA (Khabib/Ferg) but for the most part MMA moves much faster and the fanbase isnt preoccupied with stuff that may or may not happen years down the line. By the time boxing fans get the fight they were waiting for, whatever was happening in MMA at the time they first started waiting is practically ancient history and their fans had moved on 20 times over.

Listen, even in terms of activity the UFC cant compete with boxing global events happening around the world from multiple contents every month -- I watch these significant fights; some are even world title bouts.

I just looked up the schedules for MMA and boxing (on sherdog and boxrec respectively) for this weekend and boxing has 48 events while MMA has 36. People really underestimate how much MMA there actually is outside of the UFC, and a lot of them are decent sized promotions with good quality fights too. The UFC arguably doesnt even have the best card this weekend.

The issue I have is not so much the sloppy techniques and wild savage violence, its the lack of display of the martial-arts in its PURE form ; the lack of credibility.

Unless there is some top secret no holds barred fight to the death competition going on deep in the woods MMA is by far the most legitimate test of martial arts there is, and it features the best martial artists. Its a major (by combat sports standards anyway) sport where the overwhelming majority of techniques in every unarmed combat style are completely legal. It was literally conceived as a way to pressure test different martial arts styles. Not sure how it can get more pure or credible than that.

The problem I have is that you should let the BJJ or wrestler keep the opponent on the ground, what ****** fans consider 'lay and pray' is actually needed time to rest, and form a strategy, whilst you have your rival neutralized ; only a fool would let his opponent up when he has the mount.

No ref is standing anyone up when they're in mount, and nobody is intentionally letting someone out of mount unless they're going for an armbar. Its a finishing position.

Its very easy to not be stood up in MMA. As long as you dont spend literally several minutes in a stationery position not attempting to advance or attack in any way and not listening to the refs repeated warnings. Stalling is the least skilled, least athletic part of BJJ.

I heard that a BJJ with a purple belt can enter the UFC, you dont even need a Black-Belt to enter the ' Prestigious' MMA league

Why would you need a BJJ black belt as a prerequisite to enter an MMA league? what if that purple belt is also an olympic level wrestler? or a high level kickboxer? Its MIXED martial arts. .

Not to mention belts are given for pure BJJ rules Gi competition, MMAs ground game is no-Gi and not even strictly BJJ. You could be training no-Gi grappling for years without a belt reflecting that.

Heres a guy who is not just a black belt but a literal ADCC champion ie cream of the crop grappler, getting tapped out this year by a purple belt MMA journeyman who was stopped in 30 seconds in his previous MMA fight.

A lack of understanding and appreciation for the true Martial-Art, is what makes many ' Just Bleed fans ' ( which is the majority of MMA fans )

In my experience MMA fans tend to be the most knowledgeable about combat sports as a whole because of MMAs origin and nature as a mix of them.

The Olympic combat sports are more enjoyable for me, because they are closer to the pure art-form : like, Boxing, Judo, Karate, Taekwondo, even wrestling is more legit and competitive than MMA as far as I'm concern.

Fair enough, its just a personal preference thing if you like them more. Not sure how they're more "legit" though given that they have much more restrictive rules and most of the athletes in them would not succeed in MMA even though MMA would allow literally their entire olympic skillset to be utilised.

And wtf do you mean "even wrestling"?. its arguably the most legitimate, prestigious and competitive of all olympic combat sports, either that or boxing. It has a serious talent pool, and produces the athletes who have the most potential to translate their skills to success in MMA.


At the end of the day, it just sounds like you are anti-MMA as a default stance because you view it as a competitor to boxing, so are reaching hard for reasons to **** on it without taking time to properly understand and appreciate it. I mean you're simultaneously criticizing it for "diluting" martial arts by having rules (for instance ref stand ups) and also for not having enough rules, and claiming it lacks legitimacy, credibility and competitiveness compared to ****ing olympic point karate, a guy lost out on a gold medal in that just now because he knocked his opponent out for ****s sake lol.