Why do some fans want to see young boxers step up so quick?

[HOF Hater]

SRL was 24 in Montreal when Duran beat him. Duran was 29 and already a legend. Now 24 old guys are carried like youngsters and 29 old guys pick their first world title.

Floyd and DLH didn't have that upbringing. Neither did Manny. Neither did Canelo.

People like to act like Canelo don't exist but Canelo was a CHAMP at 22-23 years old and lost to Floyd after beating Trout. He would go on to beat Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto, Borat, Kovalev, Jacobs, Smith, BJS, and Kayley Plant.

Canelo is a throwback fighter by all accounts

[HOF Hater]

Casuals think losses ruin fighter`s career.

The opposite. Monzon had many draws and 3 losses before he became lineal middleweight champ and he never lost his world titles in the ring.

Vitali lost by an ugly stoppage to Lennox Lewis. Became WBC champ later, he didn`t lose any fight ever again.

Vladimir had 3 KO losses when he was in his prime. He barely lost a round in next 10 years championship fighting.

Canelo was schooled by Floyd when he was young. He never lost any fight since then and fans don`t even believe anybody beats him.

Pacquiao already had 2 KO losses when he was 20. he is one of the biggest boxing names in last 20 years.

If you are good , one loss won˙t ruin your career.

If you are average, losses to average guys help you to find your level.

The point is Floyd, DLH, and Manny all came up around the same time. Both DLH and Manny have multiple losses and that didn't really affect their legacies. Hell, Manny is often considered GREATER than Floyd and dude has like 8 official losses.

The ONLY fighter today who clearly fights for legacy is Canelo. Everyone else does it for a check

[Rockin']

Because they are ignorant as to what one good beating can do to a fighter. Of course you want to make money but step up too early and your fighter can be ruined by a single beating. It's more than just wins and losses, it's about a fighters health. But the fans seem to care very little about a fighters health.

The example that sticks in my head is Camacho vs Rosario. While neither were young that beating changed Camacho as a fighter. The win was great but the beating was severe...............Rockin'

[siablo14]

Pro Boxing is like literally anything else, any sport, any academic subject, any job. Anything.

I really would not appreciate entering college and being thrown straight into Calculus III. Without even taking College Algebra, Precalculus, Calculus I and II and what ever the heck type of math comes before Calculus III. Don’t know, don’t care. All I know is I took College Algebra, busted my dumbass on it, got an A on it, and told myself this is the last math class I am taking in my life (that and College Statistics).

Regardless, please understand guys, an up and coming fighter looking good vs C and D level showcase fighters, does NOT mean they should fight the #1 fighter of their division to “see what they are really made of”.

For god’s sake, beloved fighters of history with 100 wins, did not fight 100 top 10 fighters. Yes they fought more frequently, but these frequent opponents had something in common: they have close to a losing record or are just above 500% in their win/loss column. Or even worse, they were debuting.

Jake Paul, who is not the best boxer in the world, could go 50-0 just fighting people who have no business in the boxing ring. A lot of these inflated records consist of that. People off the street or fighters that are just good at all. No, I am not defending Paul. This is not about him, just an example that with good matchmaking, any boxer on Earth can end up 100-5-4.

A young up and coming prospect who’s steamrolling vs C, D level fighters doesn’t mean he has to fight the top 5 of his division to prove himself.

It’s like that with any sport, any career, any subject. I considered myself a smart student when I attended college. But just because you are smart, does not mean you are ready for the MCAT or Bar exam without even studying for it at all. Same for boxing, looking good in the ring vs lower level fighters does not make you ready for the elites without even showing you can dominate B fighters. But this is what fans expect out of young fighters. They do not care if the young fighter needs to increase the opponent level gradually. Fight an A class fighter now and lose for being inexperienced will just get silly comments from the same fans. When the fighter loses, he is a joke and needs to retire.

Ortiz and Boots are asking for it. Let them have it.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

Mutha***a you think I want to read this? Slap yoself.

Don’t be jealous of Godnelo. Money had to weight drain him to beat him.

If they had a kok off Godnelo’s thick long beauty would have one hitter quittered him in the first round.

You think Godnelo is cut or uncut. I say his beauty is uncut

[Cypocryphy]

Pro Boxing is like literally anything else, any sport, any academic subject, any job. Anything.

I really would not appreciate entering college and being thrown straight into Calculus III. Without even taking College Algebra, Precalculus, Calculus I and II and what ever the heck type of math comes before Calculus III. Don’t know, don’t care. All I know is I took College Algebra, busted my dumbass on it, got an A on it, and told myself this is the last math class I am taking in my life (that and College Statistics).

Regardless, please understand guys, an up and coming fighter looking good vs C and D level showcase fighters, does NOT mean they should fight the #1 fighter of their division to “see what they are really made of”.

For god’s sake, beloved fighters of history with 100 wins, did not fight 100 top 10 fighters. Yes they fought more frequently, but these frequent opponents had something in common: they have close to a losing record or are just above 500% in their win/loss column. Or even worse, they were debuting.

Jake Paul, who is not the best boxer in the world, could go 50-0 just fighting people who have no business in the boxing ring. A lot of these inflated records consist of that. People off the street or fighters that are just good at all. No, I am not defending Paul. This is not about him, just an example that with good matchmaking, any boxer on Earth can end up 100-5-4.

A young up and coming prospect who’s steamrolling vs C, D level fighters doesn’t mean he has to fight the top 5 of his division to prove himself.

It’s like that with any sport, any career, any subject. I considered myself a smart student when I attended college. But just because you are smart, does not mean you are ready for the MCAT or Bar exam without even studying for it at all. Same for boxing, looking good in the ring vs lower level fighters does not make you ready for the elites without even showing you can dominate B fighters. But this is what fans expect out of young fighters. They do not care if the young fighter needs to increase the opponent level gradually. Fight an A class fighter now and lose for being inexperienced will just get silly comments from the same fans. When the fighter loses, he is a joke and needs to retire.

I don’t think this is a good analogy. Yeah, fighting is different. But it’s not as if you’re taking a completely different subject with necessary background information. If by 19 you don’t know how to box for a title, then get out of the sport.

Look, Sugar Ray Robinson won his first World Championship Title when he was 20 years old. De la Hoya won his when he was 20 years old. Manny, when he was 19. Nobody does that anymore. They just TALK.

The reason we want them to fight top comp is due to remembering how boxing was, when it was better than now. These boxers are just shadows of the boxers who came before.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Pro Boxing is like literally anything else, any sport, any academic subject, any job. Anything.

I really would not appreciate entering college and being thrown straight into Calculus III. Without even taking College Algebra, Precalculus, Calculus I and II and what ever the heck type of math comes before Calculus III. Don’t know, don’t care. All I know is I took College Algebra, busted my dumbass on it, got an A on it, and told myself this is the last math class I am taking in my life (that and College Statistics).

Regardless, please understand guys, an up and coming fighter looking good vs C and D level showcase fighters, does NOT mean they should fight the #1 fighter of their division to “see what they are really made of”.

For god’s sake, beloved fighters of history with 100 wins, did not fight 100 top 10 fighters. Yes they fought more frequently, but these frequent opponents had something in common: they have close to a losing record or are just above 500% in their win/loss column. Or even worse, they were debuting.

Jake Paul, who is not the best boxer in the world, could go 50-0 just fighting people who have no business in the boxing ring. A lot of these inflated records consist of that. People off the street or fighters that are just good at all. No, I am not defending Paul. This is not about him, just an example that with good matchmaking, any boxer on Earth can end up 100-5-4.

A young up and coming prospect who’s steamrolling vs C, D level fighters doesn’t mean he has to fight the top 5 of his division to prove himself.

It’s like that with any sport, any career, any subject. I considered myself a smart student when I attended college. But just because you are smart, does not mean you are ready for the MCAT or Bar exam without even studying for it at all. Same for boxing, looking good in the ring vs lower level fighters does not make you ready for the elites without even showing you can dominate B fighters. But this is what fans expect out of young fighters. They do not care if the young fighter needs to increase the opponent level gradually. Fight an A class fighter now and lose for being inexperienced will just get silly comments from the same fans. When the fighter loses, he is a joke and needs to retire.

You must've seen Gabriel Flores get that work this past weekend.

[-Kev-]

I don’t think this is a good analogy. Yeah, fighting is different. But it’s not as if you’re taking a completely different subject with necessary background information. If by 19 you don’t know how to box for a title, then get out of the sport.

Look, Sugar Ray Robinson won his first World Championship Title when he was 20 years old. De la Hoya won his when he was 20 years old. Manny, when he was 19. Nobody does that anymore. They just TALK.

The reason we want them to fight top comp is due to remembering how boxing was, when it was better than now. These boxers are just shadows of the boxers who came before.

Again, SRL, SRR, Pacquiao, DLH, Mayweather…these guys are HOF’ers and ATG’s.

You are using ATG’s as a measuring stick for success.

And a lot of those title fight wins at 20 years did not even come against even remotely good fighters.

If what those fighters did can easily be done, then they would not be praised.

It’s like gauging an NBA player by measuring him up to Michael Jordan.

Or a pop singer needing to get Michael Jackson numbers in order to be considered good.

I think boxing fans are just the most toxic, the worst fanbase of any sport. Just moving goal posts when ever necessary.

[-Kev-]

Because they are ignorant as to what one good beating can do to a fighter. Of course you want to make money but step up too early and your fighter can be ruined by a single beating. It's more than just wins and losses, it's about a fighters health. But the fans seem to care very little about a fighters health.

The example that sticks in my head is Camacho vs Rosario. While neither were young that beating changed Camacho as a fighter. The win was great but the beating was severe...............Rockin'

They really don’t care. Look at that female boxer who died last week. She was not ready for that fighter, and never would have been ready. Look at all the boxers who died from brain injuries.

The same fans who enter a thread to say “RIP” or “Get well soon” are the same fans claiming that in order for fighter-A to get credit for his career, he must follow into the footsteps of past greats.

Boxing fans seem to demand boxers be A-level fighters or else they are no good. Fighters are not allowed to be B level or C level. They need to follow the path of Sugar Ray Leonard. All of them.

Because, you know, what SRL, Pac, DLH, Mayweather did in their careers can be easily replicated. You know how easy boxing is as a sport. Everyone can be an ATG. Everyone could fight for a title at 15 years old. And any 20 year old boxer who wants to be an ATG or Hall of Famer needs to be able to beat #1, 2, and 3 of his division, with one hand tied behind his back and a blindfold. If you can’t do that, just hang up the gloves and go be an accountant or something. Because since you can’t do what Roberto Duran did in his career then you have no business being in that ring.

[YoungManRumble]

I don't feel like reading through 2 pages of this thread to see if there is a similar comment but I'll say this.

Because it's better than the alternative we have now of the top guys avoiding each other for one reason or another.