Why do some fans want to see young boxers step up so quick?

[-Kev-]

Because most have never boxed before competitively.

If they did they would understand that there truly are levels and just because a prospect is really good does not mean he is ready for true elite talent. Experience matters and very few boxers in there early 20's have that level of experience.They might be able to pick off some of the weaker champions but the upper echelon is a whole different level of competition. That is why I give some of the younger fighters a pass because they recognize they need more experience. Now if they start talking mad ish then yeah all is fair and throw them in with what they are asking for.

As of recent the only boxer in recent memory that stepped up quick to the elite championship level has been Teofimo Lopez. What he accomplished is very impressive no matter how you spin it.

David Benavidez is another one that has stepped up to championship level but of course those two instances have derailed that momentum he had. Possibly better for him in the end though to gain more experience and discipline.

Thank you! Spot on. I agree 100%. You nailed it.

I thought, all things considered, I was a good boxer and I am confident I could have been a good amateur and maybe even a decent pro, had I not had any medical issues with my eyes. In the boxing gym I went to, the coach there liked me, the guys there liked me. They liked watching me boxing. I would say I was pretty good but can’t know for sure how good because I never made it to amateurs, doctors orders. I am 100% positive that in the sport of boxing, I was the best in my neighborhood. Because I thought this of myself, did that mean to fans that I was ready to face prime Pernell Whitaker? after hypothetically going 20-0 with 20KO’s against debuting fighters, fighters with losing records, fighters with barely winning records, and journeymen fighters who have no other purpose than to make a better fighter look great? I am ready for Vasyl Lomachenko?

A lot of fans don’t seem remotely close to comprehending boxing. There is this thing called advertising yourself. There is this thing called development. There is something called levels like you said.

A fighter beats up a string of C and D level fighters and looks amazing doing it, speaks confidently of himself, and all of sudden he’s ready to fight Artur Beterbiev.

Then of course you have the fans who want to mention boxers with 70-100+ pro fights as a measuring stick. It goes way over their head that in order to accumulate such a large amount of wins, it requires a crap ton of absolute no-hopers. That’s called developing a fighter. When you see a boxer with that many fights, it means they were developed properly. And that’s why they are great. Because they were developed and trained the proper way.

Nowadays boxing fans want prospects/green fighters to have the success of Harry Greb without the development Harry Greb had.

One poster said fans have nothing to do with prospects being ushered in with elites. But it was fan pressure, newspapers, and networks that stopped the whole “85 pro fights vs tomato cans and 15 fights vs decent to elite fighters” way of making a fighter better. Fighters who were getting developed like this faced scrutiny for “padding” their records. In reality, that was not padding, that was development. Making a fighter better, more experienced.

Fighters now need to be 30-0 with 30 KO’s all vs top 10 fighters. And even in those 30-0 records, if the majority wasn’t vs top 3 then your resume is weak according to fans.

[LeOoze]

Forgot where I found it, but I think I read somewhere that a LOT of promoters/managers saw what happened to Fernando Vargas and got scared to never do such a thing again

[_Rexy_]

People rarely get mad when prospects slowly move up the ranks. We get mad when they win an easy vacant title, and then holding it hostage by never stepping up.

[_Rexy_]

Yeah, what was the name of the young latino that Trinidad swelled up is face like a pumpkin? Name slipped my mind at the moment.

Fernando Vargas.

[-Kev-]

Forgot where I found it, but I think I read somewhere that a LOT of promoters/managers saw what happened to Fernando Vargas and got scared to never do such a thing again

And he was labeled a bum for it by fans.

This is one of the reasons boxing fans are the most toxic.

Fans: Young fighter needs to step up to elites.

*Young fighter steps up to elite and loses*

Fans: Young fighter got exposed as a bum. I knew it.

Or worse, when a young green fighter steps up and fights a close fight with an elite fighter, fans don’t drop the subject ever. The young fighter sucks forever.

In this sport, you can’t win with these type of fans. They ask you to do something, you do it, then they move the goal post on you.

[BendOver]

Because most have never boxed before competitively.

If they did they would understand that there truly are levels and just because a prospect is really good does not mean he is ready for true elite talent. Experience matters and very few boxers in there early 20's have that level of experience.They might be able to pick off some of the weaker champions but the upper echelon is a whole different level of competition. That is why I give some of the younger fighters a pass because they recognize they need more experience. Now if they start talking mad ish then yeah all is fair and throw them in with what they are asking for.

As of recent the only boxer in recent memory that stepped up quick to the elite championship level has been Teofimo Lopez. What he accomplished is very impressive no matter how you spin it.

David Benavidez is another one that has stepped up to championship level but of course those two instances have derailed that momentum he had. Possibly better for him in the end though to gain more experience and discipline.

David Morell jr. Is at the top of his class.

[elfag]

Ali was 22 when he fought liston. Tyson was 20 when he won his first title. foreman was 24 when he fought fraizer. oh and he went to the olympics in under 2 years from his first amateur fight, didnt wait until the next cycle 4 years later.


why is it today we accept fighters padding their record until they are damn near 40 years old. then you get guys like charlo who is 31, andrande who is 33 who never fought nobody yet, what they *** are they doing, they been fighting 10 years and still never stepped up.

[elfag]

Joshua has spoiled the fans today but in reality no one has had a better heavyweight record ever then he has in the number of fights .

Go back to the days of say Ernie Shavers he didn’t fight a live body well into his 40 something fight ,fans today don’t have the attention spans of the old school ones . Though Shavers was a bit overkill and purposely added to his knockout reputation fighting very weak opponents before he hit a big fight ,he fought Jimmy Young in his 45th fight .

He was 26 when he fought wladimir, not as bad as most of todays bums but that would have been well behind the curve a few decades ago.

[Hustle]

1. Nobody said anything about 30 years old. We are talking about young fighters who need to step up gradually but can’t due to fans.

2. Great boxers of the past were not pressured by fans/media when they were fighting bum of the month or debuting fighters. That’s why boxers of the past had 100 fights in their careers. There is a development process to everything and it is amusing to see stubborn boxing fans saying otherwise.

3. Obligatory tough guy comment: “This generation is fighting mismatch after mismatch and dudes like you telling us its ok. Gtfoh and enjoy tank vs rolly”

^Lol. Listen, posts like yours just goes to show how clueless fans are about boxing history.

Nobody said anything about mismatches being okay. The discussion is about a lack of a development phase for young boxers.

Also, “this generation”. No, please stop pretending like you know what was going on in all boxing generations. If you did know, you would know that ATG’s of the past were fighting mismatches. A ton. More than boxers do now. I am talking 80 fights worth of mismatches. That is the only way to get 100 wins. Mismatches. So don’t come in here pretending like mismatches is a thing in this generation. Because you clearly look like you are talking out of your a$$.

“now dudes passing up mandatories and jumping divisons while avoiding the top dogs and dudes like you applaud it”

^Do you have a mental disability? It appears that you can’t read. You are unable to comprehend my post. I think it’s in plain English. If English is the only language you know, I expect you to be way better than this at understanding.

I am just going to chalk up your post to mental re tar dation. You are clearly arguing about something that has nothing to do with the thread topic.

Gtfoh and read a book since you are illiterate.

You cant develop fighting tomato cans. Thats why guys like andre berto and adrien broner always loss when they fought good fighters. They were used to fighting the gavin rees and jan zavecks of the word.

This aint the 1930s. Fighters dont fight 100 fights now so there is no need to fight 20 cans in a row tobstart your career. teofimo just fought and beat lomachencko in 15 fights. Its not the number of fights that matters. Its who you fight in the number of fights that matters.

Quality over Quantity

TV already dont like to pay for good fights and we damn sure dont wanna see developmental fights when they do air boxing.

[Hustle]

How is anybody fighting Rolly? Isn't he the taxi driver that 3G took out in what we hoped was a lame stay busy fight, and instead turned into 3G's new MO?

Lmaooo. Nah that was Steve Rolls.

This is a uber driver named Rolly Romero. He fights out of the mayweather gym. Lightweight divison. Tank next opponent instead of haney or russell jr or mikey or regis or anybody with a pulse from 130 to 140. He supposed to be the cash cow. Time to cash in.