What is with the haterade towards Caleb Plant? And Aundrey Ward!

[billeau2]

Yeah Ward would be the type of fighter to beat Canelito.

IM ROOTING FOR PLANT.

Im generally interested in how Plant can come in and make it a decent scrap. I always root for the underdog unless I am a fan of the fighter lol, so I wouldn't mind seeing Plant make a go of it.

[billeau2]

That’s the part I’m not seeing. Plant and Ward’s styles are about as different as they can be. What is Ward bringing that Plant is going to be able to implement?

Generally speaking, seeking the council of a great fighter is a good impulse. It shows a willingness to learn, adapt, and maybe pick up a few things along the way. In terms of style, I don't know how you arrive at "different as they can be", though IMO I do see major differences. Ward had a unique way of holding the pocket while being very mobile. Part of that was just doing so many things well... Ward fought all ranges, threw most punches, used angles impressively and could sit on his punches when it called for it, and move the pocket when fighting a big puncher.

Plant is more mobile, does not really sit on his punches, could stand to learn a few things about angles from Ward... Thats what I see.

[billeau2]

Canelo is being tested with VADA for 2+ months for Plant. He’s been doing VADA nonstop since Smith. It’s up to VADA to ease drop whenever.

the real reason why Plant is vocal about Canelo’s team is because GAMBER is taking shots at Ruiz Jr. whom he uses to train and said was undisciplined. Now that Ruiz Iooks more fit GAMBER is just hating. Mexican boxers are harassed no matter what just like UK fighters are so who cares. It’s part of the game.

Question: Is it just one stable of fighters? Eddie Reynasa (sp?) because that is what the media is having people believe about this incident. They also mentioned another fighter who they claimed was dirty, but it wasn't Ruiz Jr. I don't personally see how steroid makes fighters better aside from one big effect that IMO should be allowed.

If I go to a doctor with a bad knee, shoulder, whatever, he/she might well give me a steroid for healing. To me this should be legit, for any fighter.

[ramses07]

ehh plant has been talking a lot like he's the A side. Like its not Al Haymon making the big moves, like bro youre just bait for Canelo.

He's a good fighter sure, but he's not proven like that to be talking as much as he is.



I like Andre Ward, he'd probably beat Canelo in his prime, I dont know how he looks now.

[billeau2]

Forgot to add that I do think Valdez took something to make weight,I need more information to assess everything but so far hes looking suspect af(& an actual cheater likely would take something that leaves the system quickly)

Edit just read that its Phentermine which is only banned during competition by wada (but because it has a few days clearance time, was taken for weightloss not to mask something else)

That being said this ones a grey area because Arizona apparently only adheres to wada protocol not vada,which means that Valdez took a substance that is technically legal since wada only bans it within 20 hrs before the fight.(he definitely did take it for making weight, its no different than fighters in the UK taking much more powerful Oxilofrine legally,so it comes back to the question of whether a fighter should be ridiculed for taking a quasi legal drug that helps them lose weight?

I think VADA & WADA should have same ban list,but if a fighter is doing Vada they should be liable for being ******

This brings up another issue. The regulations are very hard to follow because of different protocols.

[1hourRun]

Did read a single comment.

'Did' derp

[#1PaperChamp]

Lol, why can't everyone get it that every single Canelo opponent or possible opponent talks mad rediculous sht about Canelo not because it makes any sense but because fighters like Plant are effeminate tendency having loudmouths who need to convince themselves ahead of time that Canelo is cheating (because they know its the only thing they can talk sht about when everyone constantly laughs at their chances)even Billy tîts Saunders did the same despite getting popped with a substance infinitely more powerful & blatantly obvious cheating.

I have covered this countless times on this site, I've shown mountains of evidence proving clen is not a real ped a fighter would use, especially on vada,& how its sold Everywhere in Mexico from high end restaurants to cheap taco stands alike,eaten by millions daily, countless athletes from every sport have tested positive for larger amounts than Canelo while traveling in Mexico,& every testing org & sport authority from Wada to fifa has concluded the same obvious thing.

Plant & every future opponent are pathetic for this argument. Canelo was caught with ng amount of a drug akin to vitamin D(a vitamin that also technically a steroid in name but which also has no ped benefits) a drug which stays in the body for ages & must be taken in extreme doses if you want to gain anything from it. (It is literally rétarded to think a fighter who demands vada every fight would take the weakest ped that stays in your system the longest,rather than actual roids which are super potent & leave the body within hours,drugs actual cheats take like Oxilofrine for weightloss,or Dbol for roid benefits)

Canelo submitted to a hair follicle test,he has been being stringently tested from an early age despite most fighters like Plant only getting tested at late 20s.

And lastly,the amount of clen was literally the amount of a single meal,& if not for VADA treating Canelo worse than everyone else it wouldn't even have became public knowledge. As VADA themselves along with WADA have retroactively changed their thresholds for clen,& they had previously defended other fighters for much larger amounts of clen.

Be careful bro. If BIGPOPPAPUMP see your post you gone banned.

Defending Canelo with facts and objectivity is against the rules AND the agenda. . .

[paulf]

Ward is just a *****, man. And I was a fan of what he did in the ring. But he and his trainer both; always whining, always complaining. There's a reason he had absolutely no fans. If you look at his Twitter it was all inspirational bible quotes, but when you hear the man talk it's like a nagging woman.

[PBR Streetgang]

I'm no Canelo fan but for whatever reason I just don't like Plant. Going back as far as I can remember seeing him fight. I like Ward and respect him as a person. As a fighter sometimes I wanted him to win and sometimes I wanted him to lose....

[#1PaperChamp]

Did read a single comment.

Kovalev won fight 1 lmfao