What is with the haterade towards Caleb Plant? And Aundrey Ward!

[Boxing-1013]

Yes the second is still debatable but that fight i saw GGG who was renowned for his seek and destroy approach fight like Pernell Whitaker. Canelo made him fight backwards for 8 rounds. took the fight to him and no bias here but that fight was the first time i have ever thought GGG is about to get knocked out.
He has never taken a dangerous fight since.

Lol idk about all that. Canelo definitely made the fight in the center of the ring, which was incredibly surprising and impressive. I've watched both fights like 10 times, the only roujnd GGG really fought off the back foot, was round 5 and GGG fought really well in that round and was a clear round for him.

GGG looked much worse imo vs Derevy, both score wise and damage wise. He took a beating in that 10th round vs Derevy. And then the body shot early on hurt him. Canelo fought too much in spurts in those fights; his limited activity vs GGG"s constant activity is a really tough matchup so far for Canelo. At this point though you'd have to favor Canelo in a 3rd fight. He looks stronger than ever and GGG as you said looks to be very selective right now.

[Motofan]

Nothing at all against Plant. I just don’t think he’s ready. Ward seems like a great guy but his interest in this fight confuses me a bit. Plus, one camp changes nothing. They always revert to what they know instead of something they just learned and have yet to bring to an actual fight. It’s rare that one camp changes a fighter much.

[billeau2]

“I don't personally see how steroid makes fighters better”

Never shocks me you continue to show how out of touch with reality you are . What’s next you are going to ask me what proof ? Silly Billy strikes again with yet another head scratching comment right up there with walking transsexuals home at night because you wanted to make sure they were safe and admitting to saying they were cute and was not going to be mentioned on here because that’s what normal people do right ,they help out , out of kindness not looking for sex hook ups late at night with *******s though right ? Just randomly happened to be there ?

O.K besides that nonsense if you really think Steroids don’t make athlete’s better you’re once again the only one on the forum just like your the only one yesterday that didn’t know turning a back in a fight is an automatic disqualification but then you still proceeded to tell me AJ couldn’t stop Pulev early as though that fact never happened ?

Well hopefully you watched certain fights isince and realize the difference between Pulev and Breazeale and things called levels in boxing , this guy thinks Breazeale is the same as Pulev no difference between them . Ha

Redumber...Back for more!!!! Show me how steroids directly showed that a fighter performed better. You cannot compare because the fighter would have to fight the same opponent in the same circumstances. They make fighters bigger, so? I know science is beyond that pea in your brain halfwit... no suprise you "don't see it."

Halfwit still trying to make friends... willing to do anything, say anything to do so.... And I never said steroids "don't make athletes better" learn to read. I am talking "Boxing."

Sheesh what a halfwit. How Is the weather in Ohio?

[Sid-Knee]

Forgot to add that I do think Valdez took something to make weight,I need more information to assess everything but so far hes looking suspect af(& an actual cheater likely would take something that leaves the system quickly)

Edit just read that its Phentermine which is only banned during competition by wada (but because it has a few days clearance time, was taken for weightloss not to mask something else)

That being said this ones a grey area because Arizona apparently only adheres to wada protocol not vada,which means that Valdez took a substance that is technically legal since wada only bans it within 20 hrs before the fight.(he definitely did take it for making weight, its no different than fighters in the UK taking much more powerful Oxilofrine legally,so it comes back to the question of whether a fighter should be ridiculed for taking a quasi legal drug that helps them lose weight?

I think VADA & WADA should have same ban list,but if a fighter is doing Vada they should be liable for being ******

After all the same information came out about the stuff Billy had in his system, you called him a drugs cheat. Now you're flipping and contradicting yourself by defending Valdez. Where was all this when you KNEW it was legal out of competition like with Valdez?

You're a hypocrite through and through. It's actually embarrassing reading the nonsense you come out with.

[Cypocryphy]

Lol, why can't everyone get it that every single Canelo opponent or possible opponent talks mad rediculous sht about Canelo not because it makes any sense but because fighters like Plant are effeminate tendency having loudmouths who need to convince themselves ahead of time that Canelo is cheating (because they know its the only thing they can talk sht about when everyone constantly laughs at their chances)even Billy tīts Saunders did the same despite getting popped with a substance infinitely more powerful & blatantly obvious cheating.

I have covered this countless times on this site, I've shown mountains of evidence proving clen is not a real ped a fighter would use, . . . . .

What?! lol WHAT?! What are you talking about? That's one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. Delusional even.

Clenbuterol is an analogue to anabolic steroids, accomplish the same thing for the user. It is also regarded as an "anabolic agent."

According to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List, anabolic agents consist of exogenous anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS), endogenous AAS and other anabolic agents such as clenbuterol and selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs).

Anabolic agents: recent strategies for their detection and protection from inadvertent doping

Why would someone use it? Here's what someone who has used it for competition said:

“Its used for thermogenic purposes in bodybuilding to help bodybuilders drop body fat by raising your bodys temperature and help your body be more efficient at metabolizing fat. It also gives your body the opportunity to assimilate and absorb more oxygen as it puts more pressure on your heart. Its even been shown to increase the size of your aorta just from the pressure it puts your heart under from pushing or pumping blood. So obviously your body will be able to work through oxygen a bit more efficiently. When bodybuilders and athletes are seen to be taking clen, people see it as this lazy b@!*?#d who doesn’t want to stick to his diet so just drugs to lose weight but there are performance enhancing effects in terms of oxygen uptake. This can relate to be important for boxers to transport oxygen to the muscle in their arms. I know boxers can use it for weight cutting when they really struggle for their weight, but I cant imagine someone at his level would be struggling to keep his weight under control with training 2/3 times a day but the drug does have enhancing effects for performance as well."

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Athletes who use clenbuterol do it to burn fat, build muscle, and improve sports performance. The drug is believed to increase the development of skeletal muscle by enhancing muscle protein synthesis. At the same time, it aids in fat loss by increasing metabolism. The effects of clenbuterol on athletes who take the drug over a long period of time aren't known. What is clear is that besides affecting the muscles of the airways, clenbuterol is taken up by other tissues in the body. Animal studies have shown that clenbuterol use may lead to apoptosis—the death of normal cells—in the muscles, including the heart muscles. For this reason, veterinarians are cautioned against giving the drug to horses who have cardiac issues.

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The mention of horses here is interesting because it's seen in horse racing, where it is also banned. But it was developed to treat asthma in horses. However, the point is that it is a substitute for anabolic steroids because it has virtually the same effect on sports performance. If you are getting more oxygen to your muscles, you will be able to train harder, build more muscle and lose body fat, while also being able to punch harder and faster. That is what it does, although the effects are not long lasting. Over time, however, they can last awhile, and with the infrequency of testing because of cost issues, it is easy to get around. When Canelo was caught, it was due to being on random drug screening for the GGG fight.

Random drug tests. They're a ***** man lol