What is with the haterade towards Caleb Plant? And Aundrey Ward!

[billeau2]

I first saw it on You Tube and starting to see it in other places. First of all, Plant's allegations about Canelo's camp? He is not the only fighter to have them. Other fighters have levied similar accusations about the camp. The video below has a blurb in the comments that explains the situation in detail. First of all, before anyone gets the wrong idea: don't shoot at the messenger, I don't claim to know the nature of how much steroids help fighters, as I am skeptical that they help anymore than helping an older fighter like James Toney heal from an injury... If it was up to me? I would level the playing field and let fighters use what they want... is it government's place to tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies? Unless sanctioning bodies can stop all abuse... including the type Conte explains (the government cannot)... then you will always stop some and not others. Hence those who cheat best will find a way to do so.

But I also understand that some people, including fighters, think these substances are a huge advantage, and feel strongly that people using them are cheating. Is that not a fair perspective? It is hardly only Plant who seems to feel strongly about this. To some fighters it is also a safety issue and Conte who I actually know about from connections, is brilliant. If he says people are finding a way to take performance enhancers... I would bet the farm on it.

My concern is people who seem to feel like Plant has no legitimacy challenging Canelo because he speaks out on the alleged roids abuse. I don't agree with this at all. Plant is a champion, he has a style that could give Canelo problems. Analysts like Bread, for example, think Plant is a big challenge to Canelo. Canelo has, in the past had difficulty with guys who can move... Yet when you mention any of this? and I am not talking about only here... I mean in general. its like people get personal quick. They insult, as though Canelo's ability is unquestionable, how dare someone proposes he could be beat, or is cheating. There is even a whole contingent criticizing Plant for taking some props from Aundrey Ward! Insulting Ward, claiming he is using Plant to get at Canelo... Claiming Plant being laced up by a great fighter means Plant is not secure in his own abilities. what the fck? Seriously? then there are the posters claiming Plant will wind up in the hospital and all this other casual type shiat threats... I mean Plant should not fight Canelo because Canelo is too dangerous? Like Bauer when Braddock beat him? or When Tyson was going to destroy Buster Douglas?

Canelo is at his peak and a very talented fighter. He is not without weakness, and he is not beyond reproach... If he and his camp are doing something that others feel is an unfair advantage, he deserves to be Called out. Why should he be angry at Plant for doing this? Lol. And Plant is a decent fighter... Im going on record here and saying Plant will perform well and do a decent job. I doubt anyone wins a decision against Canelo lol, but if he makes it a good scrap it should shut up a lot of the radical fringe of the Canelo contingency. Much respect for those who simply think Canelo will just destroy Plant and are not talking shiat to people that is undeserved... everyone has a right to their opinions. And those who think Ward has no business spitting knowledge and game "fck you."

[kushking]

I first saw it on You Tube and starting to see it in other places. First of all, Plant's allegations about Canelo's camp? He is not the only fighter to have them. Other fighters have levied similar accusations about the camp. The video below has a blurb in the comments that explains the situation in detail. First of all, before anyone gets the wrong idea: don't shoot at the messenger, I don't claim to know the nature of how much steroids help fighters, as I am skeptical that they help anymore than helping an older fighter like James Toney heal from an injury... If it was up to me? I would level the playing field and let fighters use what they want... is it government's place to tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies? Unless sanctioning bodies can stop all abuse... including the type Conte explains (the government cannot)... then you will always stop some and not others. Hence those who cheat best will find a way to do so.

But I also understand that some people, including fighters, think these substances are a huge advantage, and feel strongly that people using them are cheating. Is that not a fair perspective? It is hardly only Plant who seems to feel strongly about this. To some fighters it is also a safety issue and Conte who I actually know about from connections, is brilliant. If he says people are finding a way to take performance enhancers... I would bet the farm on it.

My concern is people who seem to feel like Plant has no legitimacy challenging Canelo because he speaks out on the alleged roids abuse. I don't agree with this at all. Plant is a champion, he has a style that could give Canelo problems. Analysts like Bread, for example, think Plant is a big challenge to Canelo. Canelo has, in the past had difficulty with guys who can move... Yet when you mention any of this? and I am not talking about only here... I mean in general. its like people get personal quick. They insult, as though Canelo's ability is unquestionable, how dare someone proposes he could be beat, or is cheating. There is even a whole contingent criticizing Plant for taking some props from Aundrey Ward! Insulting Ward, claiming he is using Plant to get at Canelo... Claiming Plant being laced up by a great fighter means Plant is not secure in his own abilities. what the fck? Seriously? then there are the posters claiming Plant will wind up in the hospital and all this other casual type shiat threats... I mean Plant should not fight Canelo because Canelo is too dangerous? Like Bauer when Braddock beat him? or When Tyson was going to destroy Buster Douglas?

Canelo is at his peak and a very talented fighter. He is not without weakness, and he is not beyond reproach... If he and his camp are doing something that others feel is an unfair advantage, he deserves to be Called out. Why should he be angry at Plant for doing this? Lol. And Plant is a decent fighter... Im going on record here and saying Plant will perform well and do a decent job. I doubt anyone wins a decision against Canelo lol, but if he makes it a good scrap it should shut up a lot of the radical fringe of the Canelo contingency. Much respect for those who simply think Canelo will just destroy Plant and are not talking shiat to people that is undeserved... everyone has a right to their opinions. And those who think Ward has no business spitting knowledge and game "fck you."

Lol, why can't everyone get it that every single Canelo opponent or possible opponent talks mad rediculous sht about Canelo not because it makes any sense but because fighters like Plant are effeminate tendency having loudmouths who need to convince themselves ahead of time that Canelo is cheating (because they know its the only thing they can talk sht about when everyone constantly laughs at their chances)even Billy tîts Saunders did the same despite getting popped with a substance infinitely more powerful & blatantly obvious cheating.

I have covered this countless times on this site, I've shown mountains of evidence proving clen is not a real ped a fighter would use, especially on vada,& how its sold Everywhere in Mexico from high end restaurants to cheap taco stands alike,eaten by millions daily, countless athletes from every sport have tested positive for larger amounts than Canelo while traveling in Mexico,& every testing org & sport authority from Wada to fifa has concluded the same obvious thing.

Plant & every future opponent are pathetic for this argument. Canelo was caught with ng amount of a drug akin to vitamin D(a vitamin that also technically a steroid in name but which also has no ped benefits) a drug which stays in the body for ages & must be taken in extreme doses if you want to gain anything from it. (It is literally rétarded to think a fighter who demands vada every fight would take the weakest ped that stays in your system the longest,rather than actual roids which are super potent & leave the body within hours,drugs actual cheats take like Oxilofrine for weightloss,or Dbol for roid benefits)

Canelo submitted to a hair follicle test,he has been being stringently tested from an early age despite most fighters like Plant only getting tested at late 20s.

And lastly,the amount of clen was literally the amount of a single meal,& if not for VADA treating Canelo worse than everyone else it wouldn't even have became public knowledge. As VADA themselves along with WADA have retroactively changed their thresholds for clen,& they had previously defended other fighters for much larger amounts of clen.

[FinlandsFinest]

I love both guys. Andre Ward is a STAND UP guy, someone to look up to. SALUTE to Andre Ward. Great boxer and a Christian man.

I hope for a miracle that Plant somehow wins this.

[kushking]

I love both guys. Andre Ward is a STAND UP guy, someone to look up to. SALUTE to Andre Ward. Great boxer and a Christian man.

I hope for a miracle that Plant somehow wins this.

If anyone can give Plant a chance its Ward.

[FinlandsFinest]

If anyone can give Plant a chance its Ward.

Yeah Ward would be the type of fighter to beat Canelito.

IM ROOTING FOR PLANT.

[4truth]

If anyone can give Plant a chance its Ward.

That’s the part I’m not seeing. Plant and Ward’s styles are about as different as they can be. What is Ward bringing that Plant is going to be able to implement?

[Thuglife Nelo]

I first saw it on You Tube and starting to see it in other places. First of all, Plant's allegations about Canelo's camp? He is not the only fighter to have them. Other fighters have levied similar accusations about the camp. The video below has a blurb in the comments that explains the situation in detail. First of all, before anyone gets the wrong idea: don't shoot at the messenger, I don't claim to know the nature of how much steroids help fighters, as I am skeptical that they help anymore than helping an older fighter like James Toney heal from an injury... If it was up to me? I would level the playing field and let fighters use what they want... is it government's place to tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies? Unless sanctioning bodies can stop all abuse... including the type Conte explains (the government cannot)... then you will always stop some and not others. Hence those who cheat best will find a way to do so.

But I also understand that some people, including fighters, think these substances are a huge advantage, and feel strongly that people using them are cheating. Is that not a fair perspective? It is hardly only Plant who seems to feel strongly about this. To some fighters it is also a safety issue and Conte who I actually know about from connections, is brilliant. If he says people are finding a way to take performance enhancers... I would bet the farm on it.

My concern is people who seem to feel like Plant has no legitimacy challenging Canelo because he speaks out on the alleged roids abuse. I don't agree with this at all. Plant is a champion, he has a style that could give Canelo problems. Analysts like Bread, for example, think Plant is a big challenge to Canelo. Canelo has, in the past had difficulty with guys who can move... Yet when you mention any of this? and I am not talking about only here... I mean in general. its like people get personal quick. They insult, as though Canelo's ability is unquestionable, how dare someone proposes he could be beat, or is cheating. There is even a whole contingent criticizing Plant for taking some props from Aundrey Ward! Insulting Ward, claiming he is using Plant to get at Canelo... Claiming Plant being laced up by a great fighter means Plant is not secure in his own abilities. what the fck? Seriously? then there are the posters claiming Plant will wind up in the hospital and all this other casual type shiat threats... I mean Plant should not fight Canelo because Canelo is too dangerous? Like Bauer when Braddock beat him? or When Tyson was going to destroy Buster Douglas?

Canelo is at his peak and a very talented fighter. He is not without weakness, and he is not beyond reproach... If he and his camp are doing something that others feel is an unfair advantage, he deserves to be Called out. Why should he be angry at Plant for doing this? Lol. And Plant is a decent fighter... Im going on record here and saying Plant will perform well and do a decent job. I doubt anyone wins a decision against Canelo lol, but if he makes it a good scrap it should shut up a lot of the radical fringe of the Canelo contingency. Much respect for those who simply think Canelo will just destroy Plant and are not talking shiat to people that is undeserved... everyone has a right to their opinions. And those who think Ward has no business spitting knowledge and game "fck you."

Canelo is being tested with VADA for 2+ months for Plant. He’s been doing VADA nonstop since Smith. It’s up to VADA to ease drop whenever.

the real reason why Plant is vocal about Canelo’s team is because GAMBER is taking shots at Ruiz Jr. whom he uses to train and said was undisciplined. Now that Ruiz Iooks more fit GAMBER is just hating. Mexican boxers are harassed no matter what just like UK fighters are so who cares. It’s part of the game.

[kushking]

That’s the part I’m not seeing. Plant and Ward’s styles are about as different as they can be. What is Ward bringing that Plant is going to be able to implement?

Ward is a skilled counter puncher who can teach Plant to actually use his right hand,& how to properly throw a right hook. I still don't see it making a difference as ai don't think plants that guy. But I think Plant has some bad habits maybe Ward can help him with.

[kushking]

Forgot to add that I do think Valdez took something to make weight,I need more information to assess everything but so far hes looking suspect af(& an actual cheater likely would take something that leaves the system quickly)

Edit just read that its Phentermine which is only banned during competition by wada (but because it has a few days clearance time, was taken for weightloss not to mask something else)

That being said this ones a grey area because Arizona apparently only adheres to wada protocol not vada,which means that Valdez took a substance that is technically legal since wada only bans it within 20 hrs before the fight.(he definitely did take it for making weight, its no different than fighters in the UK taking much more powerful Oxilofrine legally,so it comes back to the question of whether a fighter should be ridiculed for taking a quasi legal drug that helps them lose weight?

I think VADA & WADA should have same ban list,but if a fighter is doing Vada they should be liable for being ******

[billeau2]

Lol, why can't everyone get it that every single Canelo opponent or possible opponent talks mad rediculous sht about Canelo not because it makes any sense but because fighters like Plant are effeminate tendency having loudmouths who need to convince themselves ahead of time that Canelo is cheating (because they know its the only thing they can talk sht about when everyone constantly laughs at their chances)even Billy tîts Saunders did the same despite getting popped with a substance infinitely more powerful & blatantly obvious cheating.

I have covered this countless times on this site, I've shown mountains of evidence proving clen is not a real ped a fighter would use, especially on vada,& how its sold Everywhere in Mexico from high end restaurants to cheap taco stands alike,eaten by millions daily, countless athletes from every sport have tested positive for larger amounts than Canelo while traveling in Mexico,& every testing org & sport authority from Wada to fifa has concluded the same obvious thing.

Plant & every future opponent are pathetic for this argument. Canelo was caught with ng amount of a drug akin to vitamin D(a vitamin that also technically a steroid in name but which also has no ped benefits) a drug which stays in the body for ages & must be taken in extreme doses if you want to gain anything from it. (It is literally rétarded to think a fighter who demands vada every fight would take the weakest ped that stays in your system the longest,rather than actual roids which are super potent & leave the body within hours,drugs actual cheats take like Oxilofrine for weightloss,or Dbol for roid benefits)

Canelo submitted to a hair follicle test,he has been being stringently tested from an early age despite most fighters like Plant only getting tested at late 20s.

And lastly,the amount of clen was literally the amount of a single meal,& if not for VADA treating Canelo worse than everyone else it wouldn't even have became public knowledge. As VADA themselves along with WADA have retroactively changed their thresholds for clen,& they had previously defended other fighters for much larger amounts of clen.

Its good to get a perspective on the allegations. Again, don't claim to know about the allegations... Just wish people would not confuse the allegations with the usual shiat talking before a fight. Some fighters feel that there is a pattern to the allegations, people like Haney, etc... but I have no desire to even play devil's advocate.