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  • Earl-Hickey
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    #41
    Originally posted by REDEEMER

    Sometimes I wonder why some of these posters even watch boxing it’s like they are mad when it’s a good division making it a great era .
    I think a lot of people just love to be negative.

    Like I remember when I started watching boxing back in the early 00s and Lewis had just retired, the best British heavywwights were Williams, Sprott, Skelton and Audley Harrison and British fans were hoping for Skelton or Sprott to get a mando vs like Oleg Maskaev or Sam Peter on an off night lol. And it was like that for YEARS until Haye came along.

    Now we have Fury, AJ, Whyte, Joyce, Dubois and a bunch below that, and I see British fight fans saying all of them are overrated and acting like the division was better when Briggs and Liakovich had belts.

    Lol

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      #42
      Originally posted by Earl-Hickey

      I think a lot of people just love to be negative.

      Like I remember when I started watching boxing back in the early 00s and Lewis had just retired, the best British heavywwights were Williams, Sprott, Skelton and Audley Harrison and British fans were hoping for Skelton or Sprott to get a mando vs like Oleg Maskaev or Sam Peter on an off night lol. And it was like that for YEARS until Haye came along.

      Now we have Fury, AJ, Whyte, Joyce, Dubois and a bunch below that, and I see British fight fans saying all of them are overrated and acting like the division was better when Briggs and Liakovich had belts.

      Lol
      I’ve watched boxing for decades can’t recall when people were so negative ,it’s worse then the 1990”s were . Everyone is overatted or unproven until they call it a day and only then can you say a fighter was good never when they are still boxing. The historical guys on here are the worst ,that’s a different level of crazy .

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      • Ray*
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        #43
        I have zero doubt on how stacked this division is, so many contenders, challengers, gatekeepers, oldies on their way out, young prospects etc... What we need is everyone working together.

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          #44
          Originally posted by REDEEMER

          I proved you couldn’t name 40 fighters in another division and I left some guys out .
          If I wanted to, I could go away and name 40 fighters in most divisions.

          Not many people off the top off their head, could name those 40 fighters you have just mentioned. You have just named 40 fighters, none of them names send shock waves around the world.

          It is a good era, and it is my favorite division. But people are getting carried away 'Trying to make out that it is full of genetic and technically gifted marvels'.

          95% are just big basic fighters, who are super heavyweights in mass 'And this is what makes people get carried away'.

          Note: The standard has not really moved much in the past two decades, it is just that there have been less fighters miles ahead of the rest. Kiltschko was levels apart from everyone else, in ability and in his approach to the game. He was fighting guys who sometimes wanted a pat on the back for not eating fast food 'Mainly this is how I would described the american fighters during his reign'.

          The heavyweight division is still full of fighters who, want some sort of praise for actually training 'It is bizarre to observe'. Before the last Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder fight 'Tyson Fury during a interview, was stating that he had made scarifies by not drinking diet cokes. And he was saying it as if this was some sort of monumental sacrifice that was worthy of mention ' In that moment I thought to myself? Some of these fighters are just missing something inside.

          Anthony Joshua is one of the few heavyweights who has inherited Wladimir Kiltschko's approach, and to be honest 'David Haye was another fighter who 365 days per year, would prepare and theorize like batman'.

          Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 08-24-2021, 06:27 AM.

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            #45
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

            Why is it stacked?

            All the thread starter has done is name 11 fighters.

            You could do that with any era.

            The heavyweight division is competitive due to their being very few fighters, who are levels apart from each other 'That is precisely what makes this era great'.

            But in terms of ability? I don't think this era is great. I have no idea why people are trying to make out that all of these fighters are genetic marvels.

            Most of them are ether slow, lack power or are just big basic fighters 'Because they are super heavyweights, certain people get carried away'.
            In terms of ability, agreed. Most of them are all muscle bound stiffs, which is why Fury has been able to succeed as he's probably the only one who still has some of that old school flair and agility.

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              #46
              Originally posted by iamboxing

              In terms of ability, agreed. Most of them are all muscle bound stiffs, which is why Fury has been able to succeed as he's probably the only one who still has some of that old school flair and agility.
              Are they more muscular than the heavies of the 90s? Tyson, Holyfield, Bruno, Mercer, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Lennox Lewis, Grant, Ruddock - just to name a few - are more muscular than today’s heavies. That was the steroids era when juicing was at an all time high in all sports, yet you think today’s heavies are more muscular. Did you even watch boxers from the 90s?

              Some of you just create false narratives to defend a non-existent point.

              And Fury hasn’t fought anyone apart from Wlad and Wilder. So how can you he’s successful?

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                #47
                Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
                Fury
                Aj
                Wilder
                Usyk
                Hrgovic
                Whyte
                Parker
                Joyce
                Gassiev
                Hunter
                Yoka

                Now I know you guys miss the days of Klitschko vs 40 year old Hasim Rahman, Alex Leapai, Francesco Pianeta, Marius Wach, Juan Carlos Gomez, etc, etc, etc

                I know you also miss the days when Chris Areolla and Eddie Chambers were the future of the division.

                Or the 90s, they were so great weren't they, weren't no crack addicts in the top 10, or 45 year old George Foreman winning world titles was there, no way, the 90s heavyweight division was all killers, none of today's guys would survive, can you imagine any of those guys on that list lasting vs murderers like Tony Tubbs or Ray Mercer, because I can't.

                Maybe you miss the days of the bum of the month club, or George Foreman vs 5 club fighters.

                The heavyweight division right now is full of stacked, young, big, athletic talent, and we have a couple of elite smaller guys in there like Usyk.

                We have decorated amateurs, multiple world class super heavyweights.

                The division is STACKED, now the matchmaking does need improvement, but the division is the healthiest I've seen in terms of talent on 20 years.

                I know there's not many Americans in there butamerica is never going to dominate heavyweight boxing again so get used to it and enjoy the global talent on offer.
                I like the division too--

                It just seems like all other division with talent THEY DON"T FIGHT EACH OTHER

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

                  If I wanted to, I could go away and name 40 fighters in most divisions.

                  Not many people off the top off their head, could name those 40 fighters you have just mentioned. You have just named 40 fighters, none of them names send shock waves around the world.

                  It is a good era, and it is my favorite division. But people are getting carried away 'Trying to make out that it is full of genetic and technically gifted marvels'.

                  95% are just big basic fighters, who are super heavyweights in mass 'And this is what makes people get carried away'.

                  Note: The standard has not really moved much in the past two decades, it is just that there have been less fighters miles ahead of the rest. Kiltschko was levels apart from everyone else, in ability and in his approach to the game. He was fighting guys who sometimes wanted a pat on the back for not eating fast food 'Mainly this is how I would described the american fighters during his reign'.

                  The heavyweight division is still full of fighters who, want some sort of praise for actually training 'It is bizarre to observe'. Before the last Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder fight 'Tyson Fury during a interview, was stating that he had made scarifies by not drinking diet cokes. And he was saying it as if this was some sort of monumental sacrifice that was worthy of mention ' In that moment I thought to myself? Some of these fighters are just missing something inside.

                  Anthony Joshua is one of the few heavyweights who has inherited Wladimir Kiltschko's approach, and to be honest 'David Haye was another fighter who 365 days per year, would prepare and theorize like batman'.

                  You were proven wrong . You cannot name any division with nearly a dozen Olympic champs and national ones because there is none outside the heavyweight division. To say it’s just a bunch of big guys tells me you don’t really follow it and because you don’t know who they are it doesn’t count cracks me up as you can’t even list 20 top prospects coming up in a division outside the heavyweights either ,you are literally trying to create something that’s not even realistic to argue about . The division at heavyweight is beyond stacked right now .
                  Last edited by REDEEMER; 08-24-2021, 03:52 PM.

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                  • REDEEMER
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by jmrf4435

                    I like the division too--

                    It just seems like all other division with talent THEY DON"T FIGHT EACH OTHER
                    AJ is fighting who could easily be the third best fighter at the moment but people will say no one is fighting each other . Ha

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                    • Earl-Hickey
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by BangEM

                      Are they more muscular than the heavies of the 90s? Tyson, Holyfield, Bruno, Mercer, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Lennox Lewis, Grant, Ruddock - just to name a few - are more muscular than today’s heavies. That was the steroids era when juicing was at an all time high in all sports, yet you think today’s heavies are more muscular. Did you even watch boxers from the 90s?

                      Some of you just create false narratives to defend a non-existent point.

                      And Fury hasn’t fought anyone apart from Wlad and Wilder. So how can you he’s successful?
                      Tommy Morrison (who was a world champion in the 90s for those who don't know) said he would have been a cruiserweight if it wasn't for all the steroids he was on lmao

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