The heavyweight division is STACKED

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Why is it stacked?

All the thread starter has done is name 11 fighters.

You could do that with any era.

The heavyweight division is competitive due to their being very few fighters, who are levels apart from each other 'That is precisely what makes this era great'.

But in terms of ability? I don't think this era is great. I have no idea why people are trying to make out that all of these fighters are genetic marvels.

Most of them are ether slow, lack power or are just big basic fighters 'Because they are super heavyweights, certain people get carried away'.

I named over 40 .

[AboutBillions]

Fury
Aj
Wilder
Usyk
Hrgovic
Whyte
Parker
Joyce
Gassiev
Hunter
Yoka

Now I know you guys miss the days of Klitschko vs 40 year old Hasim Rahman, Alex Leapai, Francesco Pianeta, Marius Wach, Juan Carlos Gomez, etc, etc, etc

I know you also miss the days when Chris Areolla and Eddie Chambers were the future of the division.

Or the 90s, they were so great weren't they, weren't no crack addicts in the top 10, or 45 year old George Foreman winning world titles was there, no way, the 90s heavyweight division was all killers, none of today's guys would survive, can you imagine any of those guys on that list lasting vs murderers like Tony Tubbs or Ray Mercer, because I can't.

Maybe you miss the days of the bum of the month club, or George Foreman vs 5 club fighters.

The heavyweight division right now is full of stacked, young, big, athletic talent, and we have a couple of elite smaller guys in there like Usyk.

We have decorated amateurs, multiple world class super heavyweights.

The division is STACKED, now the matchmaking does need improvement, but the division is the healthiest I've seen in terms of talent on 20 years.

I know there's not many Americans in there butamerica is never going to dominate heavyweight boxing again so get used to it and enjoy the global talent on offer.

Watch out for (Big D) David Bankole Adeleye

[BangEM]

Watch out for (Big D) David Bankole Adeleye

He needs a better coaching team.

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Nostalgia makes people value the past than the present.

How good was Bowe apart from beating Holyfield? We all know what happened to him when he fought Golota. The same Golota was destroyed by Lennox Lewis in 1rd. But somehow Bowe is an ATG and I doubt Golota was better than Pulev (not as skilled and not on the same level in terms of IQ as Pulev).

Also, people tend to act like Holyfield wasn’t washed with heart condition when he beat Mike Tyson (the one-dimensional hypejob of the 90s). Holyfield already lost to Bowe twice and Moorer (the same Moorer that was flattened by 50-yr old Foreman) when he fought Tyson. So how good was Mike Tyson apart from beating bums and a light heavyweight in the 80s? And was the loss to Douglas really an upset since Tyson lost every time he fought someone decent or just a product of flash and hype?

The only critique about this era is that they don’t fight regularly and perhaps Wilder and Fury not fighting anyone whilst holding the division hostage (Bowe, Foreman and Holmes did the same thing in the 90s tbh). However, once you look past those two - you’ll see an AJ and Dillian Whyte - who keep fighting everyone (so there’s a balance). That’s basically why I ride for AJ the way I do (apart from knowing him) and Dillian Whyte because they’re both keeping the division alive. **** casuals and idiots would call it ‘fanboyism’ but if you’re a true fan of boxing, especially the HW division (the division that drives the sport) - you can’t hate those who’re keeping it alive by taking competitive fights. You’ve to be a muppet and a sentimental casual to do that.

The only era that was better than this era is the Ali, Foreman and Frazier. And it’s not because of how talented the era was (this era has more talents) - it’s because the fought one another and fought like 5 times a year. The 90s were the most overrated era. Apart from Lennox Lewis and perhaps Holyfield - none of them, including Tyson and Bowe, would win a belt in this era.

Well let’s break this down .The top 3 .

Ali fought Frazier in 1971 , 1974,1975 . A 3 yr gap and A year gap .

Frazier Fought Foreman in 1973 , 1976 . Three year gap .

Foreman fought Ali in 1974 . No rematch .

we only saw 1 fight in 1971 between them .

saw only 1 fight in 1973 between them .

In 1974 we got 2 fights .

In 1975 got 1 between them

And one last in 1976 Norton vs Ali again .

In a span of 6 years holding belts the best they did was 2 fights the same year . And a lot of lag time . Fury will have fought Wilder 3 times in half
that span .



The consensus top fighters of 1970s were Ali, Foreman,Frazier , Norton and Holmes .

Foreman never fought Holmes for whatever reasons they never met .

Ali was way past it when he fought Holmes .

Frazier never fought Holmes or Norton .

Holmes only fought Norton once in 1978 .

Ali did fight Norton 3 times twice in 73 and once in 76 . That puts one time the top 5 guys fought 5 times in 1973 .

The consensus top 5 today or that starting point because we are going by the same criteria’s are / were Joshua ,Fury , Wilder ,Whyte , Usyk ( he is a undefeated undisputed champion )

Fury has fought Wilder twice already in 14 months time equals 7 months in between or around .

AJ has fought Whyte before either won any major or world title .

AJ is about to fight Usyk and Fury schedule to fight Wilder winner to take on AJ hopefully.

If we actually included Klitschko here he’s fought Fury and Joshua while Povetkin was a top 5 arguably when he fought AJ and Whyte twice .

AJ has been champion for 5 years , if you include Covid delays and all around dominant champs Fury ,Joshua , Wilder ,Usyk and Klitschko in here vs the big 3 of the 70”s I don’t see how that era was better even if they fought each other . But by no means did those guys fight 5 times a year against one another . Frazier didn’t even fight the power punchers beyond Foreman like Norton, Shavers and Lyle . Foreman never fought Shavers or Quarry or Holmes . Holmes came in when most those guys were past it .

I believe this era is better .

[Stuart Chandler]

Well let’s break this down .The top 3 .

Ali fought Frazier in 1971 , 1974,1975 . A 3 yr gap and A year gap .

Frazier Fought Foreman in 1973 , 1976 . Three year gap .

Foreman fought Ali in 1974 . No rematch .

we only saw 1 fight in 1971 between them .

saw only 1 fight in 1973 between them .

In 1974 we got 2 fights .

In 1975 got 1 between them

And one last in 1976 Norton vs Ali again .

In a span of 6 years holding belts the best they did was 2 fights the same year . And a lot of lag time . Fury will have fought Wilder 3 times in half
that span .



The consensus top fighters of 1970s were Ali, Foreman,Frazier , Norton and Holmes .

Foreman never fought Holmes for whatever reasons they never met .

Ali was way past it when he fought Holmes .

Frazier never fought Holmes or Norton .

Holmes only fought Norton once in 1978 .

Ali did fight Norton 3 times twice in 73 and once in 76 . That puts one time the top 5 guys fought 5 times in 1973 .

The consensus top 5 today or that starting point because we are going by the same criteria’s are / were Joshua ,Fury , Wilder ,Whyte , Usyk ( he is a undefeated undisputed champion )

Fury has fought Wilder twice already in 14 months time equals 7 months in between or around .

AJ has fought Whyte before either won any major or world title .

AJ is about to fight Usyk and Fury schedule to fight Wilder winner to take on AJ hopefully.

If we actually included Klitschko here he’s fought Fury and Joshua while Povetkin was a top 5 arguably when he fought AJ and Whyte twice .

AJ has been champion for 5 years , if you include Covid delays and all around dominant champs Fury ,Joshua , Wilder ,Usyk and Klitschko in here vs the big 3 of the 70”s I don’t see how that era was better even if they fought each other . But by no means did those guys fight 5 times a year against one another . Frazier didn’t even fight the power punchers beyond Foreman like Norton, Shavers and Lyle . Foreman never fought Shavers or Quarry or Holmes . Holmes came in when most those guys were past it .

I believe this era is better .

Someone mentioned Jimmy Young the other day as well on here and he was a top guy who couldn’t punch through a wet paper bag . The 70”s were super hype today’s fighters rolls them .

[thetruthteller]

The biggest problem in the division is guys are not willing to risk fighting each other to prove who is better. So we all miss out. Look at Manny Pacquiao. He has 8 losses on his record and he just lost what may be his last fight. But when he walked off, he gets a standing ovation because the crowd knows he fought the best guys and he went through wars. That's what really counts. Not protecting your record, skipping mandatories and fighting bums your entire career. Wilder and Fury are close to the top and they are setting a bad example by avoiding the rest of the best, yet claiming that they ARE the best. Each of them should have fought half the division right now but they both have been hiding, protecting their records and fighting the worst guys possible. Love or hate AJ and Whyte, but they have been willing to fight most of the top 20 and that's what its supposed to be all about isn't it?

[BangEM]

Well let’s break this down .The top 3 .

Ali fought Frazier in 1971 , 1974,1975 . A 3 yr gap and A year gap .

Frazier Fought Foreman in 1973 , 1976 . Three year gap .

Foreman fought Ali in 1974 . No rematch .

we only saw 1 fight in 1971 between them .

saw only 1 fight in 1973 between them .

In 1974 we got 2 fights .

In 1975 got 1 between them

And one last in 1976 Norton vs Ali again .

In a span of 6 years holding belts the best they did was 2 fights the same year . And a lot of lag time . Fury will have fought Wilder 3 times in half
that span .



The consensus top fighters of 1970s were Ali, Foreman,Frazier , Norton and Holmes .

Foreman never fought Holmes for whatever reasons they never met .

Ali was way past it when he fought Holmes .

Frazier never fought Holmes or Norton .

Holmes only fought Norton once in 1978 .

Ali did fight Norton 3 times twice in 73 and once in 76 . That puts one time the top 5 guys fought 5 times in 1973 .

The consensus top 5 today or that starting point because we are going by the same criteria’s are / were Joshua ,Fury , Wilder ,Whyte , Usyk ( he is a undefeated undisputed champion )

Fury has fought Wilder twice already in 14 months time equals 7 months in between or around .

AJ has fought Whyte before either won any major or world title .

AJ is about to fight Usyk and Fury schedule to fight Wilder winner to take on AJ hopefully.

If we actually included Klitschko here he’s fought Fury and Joshua while Povetkin was a top 5 arguably when he fought AJ and Whyte twice .

AJ has been champion for 5 years , if you include Covid delays and all around dominant champs Fury ,Joshua , Wilder ,Usyk and Klitschko in here vs the big 3 of the 70”s I don’t see how that era was better even if they fought each other . But by no means did those guys fight 5 times a year against one another . Frazier didn’t even fight the power punchers beyond Foreman like Norton, Shavers and Lyle . Foreman never fought Shavers or Quarry or Holmes . Holmes came in when most those guys were past it .

I believe this era is better .

I concur.

Those guys also didn’t fight the top contenders in their era apart from the top-3 mixing it up.

Imagine if Wlad, Povetkin, AJ, Fury, Whyte and Usyk were Americans - this would have been labelled the greatest era ever. That’s 4 Olympics gold medalists in one era. Now add Jalolov, Yoka and Joyce. What else do you want? Also bear in mind that the quality of HW boxing at the Olympics has been at its best in the last 20 years.

I think the only reason why this era isn’t heralded like the past eras is because it isn’t dominated by Americans and there isn’t an American media machine pushing a narrative. US media controls the narrative in boxing. And the only American hope, whose hype is based on exaggerated power and flattening bums, is a bum that can’t beat any of the names I listed up there. So it’s difficult for the big American media machine to create a narrative when the hometown kid is a bum and is only relevant due to hype.

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The biggest problem in the division is guys are not willing to risk fighting each other to prove who is better. So we all miss out. Look at Manny Pacquiao. He has 8 losses on his record and he just lost what may be his last fight. But when he walked off, he gets a standing ovation because the crowd knows he fought the best guys and he went through wars. That's what really counts. Not protecting your record, skipping mandatories and fighting bums your entire career. Wilder and Fury are close to the top and they are setting a bad example by avoiding the rest of the best, yet claiming that they ARE the best. Each of them should have fought half the division right now but they both have been hiding, protecting their records and fighting the worst guys possible. Love or hate AJ and Whyte, but they have been willing to fight most of the top 20 and that's what its supposed to be all about isn't it?

Once Fury and Wilder have no belt to hold hostage - it will open up the division.

Honestly, it’s not like it’s different in other divisions tbh save for 140. But the talent level at 140 is the worst in boxing. They aren’t fighting one another in the other divisions as well.

The HW division remains the best division in the sport.

[mromano]

The division definitely has a lot of mediocre quality, not a lot of guys that I would consider world beaters. The issue is, these guys rarely fight each other and they fight once a year. It's hard to get excited about boxings glamour division when the fights are few and far between. All we get is rematches and postponements.

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I concur.

Those guys also didn’t fight the top contenders in their era apart from the top-3 mixing it up.

Imagine if Wlad, Povetkin, AJ, Fury, Whyte and Usyk were Americans - this would have been labelled the greatest era ever. That’s 4 Olympics gold medalists in one era. Now add Jalolov, Yoka and Joyce. What else do you want? Also bear in mind that the quality of HW boxing at the Olympics has been at its best in the last 20 years.

I think the only reason why this era isn’t heralded like the past eras is because it isn’t dominated by Americans and there isn’t an American media machine pushing a narrative. US media controls the narrative in boxing. And the only American hope, whose hype is based on exaggerated power and flattening bums, is a bum that can’t beat any of the names I listed up there. So it’s difficult for the big American media machine to create a narrative when the hometown kid is a bum and is only relevant due to hype.

As a U.S citizen I completely agree ,also add in national champs and just olympians you have Pulev , Hrgovic , Mahkmudov ,Vianello ,Dychko , Vykhryst , and Romanov all good backgrounds and even Wilder is listed as bronze medalist ,you have or had a host of amateur champs Povetkin and Klitschko were around as well .