Charles Martin vs Andy Ruiz?

[billeau2]

Is he tho? While I think Ortiz has some skills, I'm not convinced he actually wants any of those fights. I get the vibe he (or possibly his handlers) don't want to risk his "bogeyman" status and are waiting for a big payday to fall in his lap. Regardless of the reasons, he or his team said no to the AJ fight and Ruiz said yes.

It's hard to really tell who is being avoided and who is doing the avoiding.

The bolded: something that always should be remembered. Fighters don't as a rule, get jittery about fighting opponent A as opposed to opponent B... There are all kinds of shenanigans that one could not be aware of regarding these negotiations.

[billeau2]

I think hes good enought to make even someone who DOES beat him, look bad. Thats just not a risk big names take.

I like Ortiz. I wonder what condition he is in presently... He fought superbly against Wilder the second fight... All these guys prolly have someone in their ear telling them it would look bad to lose to Ortiz lol. If he can get in the shape he was in with Wilder hes a threat against anyone in the division minus perhaps the top 3 dogs...

[PBR Streetgang]

The bolded: something that always should be remembered. Fighters don't as a rule, get jittery about fighting opponent A as opposed to opponent B... There are all kinds of shenanigans that one could not be aware of regarding these negotiations.

Agree 100% my friend. Aside from shenanigans, there's also incentive and risk/reward assessment. That and we don't have access to the details of "offers".

[billeau2]

6 years!! WTF u talking about moron? He fought in 2019 and 2020 and KING KONG is OLD. What does that make the YOUNG BOXERS who avoid him? Pu$$y’s like u.

Your posting to the village idiot and he is trying desperately to get some credability back. He sensed that because of a bias regarding how Ortiz compares to others in the division... he may get some support... Lol. just keep that in mind.

[billeau2]

Regarding Ruiz versus Martin. Martin really IMO is a poor man's Wilder... Lol. The guy is a big puncher relatively speaking... He has learned to set up his punches a bit... He does not punch as hard as AJ, or obviously Wilder... Ruiz may even actually punch harder because of the speed. Martin has no footwork to speak of.

Ruiz has legit talent imo. If he can adjust to his new program and not get carried away with his weight, he should be able to take Martin out, or outbox him.

[PBR Streetgang]

Regarding Ruiz versus Martin. Martin really IMO is a poor man's Wilder... Lol. The guy is a big puncher relatively speaking... He has learned to set up his punches a bit... He does not punch as hard as AJ, or obviously Wilder... Ruiz may even actually punch harder because of the speed. Martin has no footwork to speak of.

Ruiz has legit talent imo. If he can adjust to his new program and not get carried away with his weight, he should be able to take Martin out, or outbox him.

Ruiz is the more polished fighter with better pedigree, better skills, quicker hands and good chin. He should defeat Martin if he's mentally and physically prepared. That's a big "if" tho.

Martin is a big southpaw and can crack. He was blown out by AJ because he was up against a better man and because he froze being on the big stage. He has the physical advantages and if he can stay at a distance and use his advantages he can make it a competitive fight.

[REDEEMER]

6 years!! WTF u talking about moron? He fought in 2019 and 2020 and KING KONG is OLD. What does that make the YOUNG BOXERS who avoid him? Pu$$y’s like u.

Yea he fought guys out of the top 50 ? Crazy posters supportive Ortiz agenda like you like who are really bad ones like
billeau2 these guys are a cancer , thankfully they are a slim number on the forum and ones like me keeping them in check ,no one avoided Ortiz his own team said they they declined a career high payday for AJ years ago ,you are also a cancer on here like Silly Billy .

[LA_2_Vegas]

Martin has come back from the AJ loss in a respectable way, he got blown out BADLY (and we don't even know if he really should/would've been there to begin with because he beat Glazkov by default).....but now I think he's earned his respect back. Great to see someone work their way back into it but I think it will stop here

I don't want to be the guy fighting Ruiz once things start to click with the new trainer...he looked labored last fight like he was forcing himself to try the new stuff. He settled in but never looked good...maybe toward the last 1/3rd was OK. I think Martin is too stiff for Ruiz, I expect Ruiz to look better next fight otherwise, yes time to worry.

For now I operate with the idea that Arreola fought a career fight, he was NOT going to be embarrassed and KOed by the guy who he once was and could have been (potential first of MExican descent HW champ). Was never going to happen and for sure not at Stub Hub

[PBR Streetgang]

Martin has come back from the AJ loss in a respectable way, he got blown out BADLY (and we don't even know if he really should/would've been there to begin with because he beat Glazkov by default).....but now I think he's earned his respect back. Great to see someone work their way back into it but I think it will stop here

I don't want to be the guy fighting Ruiz once things start to click with the new trainer...he looked labored last fight like he was forcing himself to try the new stuff. He settled in but never looked good...maybe toward the last 1/3rd was OK. I think Martin is too stiff for Ruiz, I expect Ruiz to look better next fight otherwise, yes time to worry.

For now I operate with the idea that Arreola fought a career fight, he was NOT going to be embarrassed and KOed by the guy who he once was and could have been (potential first of MExican descent HW champ). Was never going to happen and for sure not at Stub Hub

I agree 100% with your post. Spot on. I actually think Arreola looked pretty decent, all things considered, in his last two fights against Ruiz and Kownacki. Probably the best conditioning and dedication I've seen him enter the ring with....it's just a shame it's come at the tail end of his career.

[SplitSecond]

Just don’t make it the main event.