Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Pacquiao-Spence, Canelo, Conor Benn, More

[Robi13]

Prime for prime if Floyd gets knocked out by Chavez at 35.

[Walexhris]

First, when I mean torso, I’m not including limbs such as the arms (like deltoids), just the pure chest and back frame. GGG’s chest and Vergil’s are bigger (not proportional) to the arms. We’ve seen in fighters like Chavez that power is all coming from core strength, back, and waist. Then proper technique you land massive power. That’s why Vergil is able to just thrust shots and move guys. Crawford hasn’t fought someone like that.

Regarding Canelo vs Floyd, these styles are not Crawford vs Ortiz. First, Vergil and Ortiz, when they size up, you’ll see that it’s not the same as Floyd vs Canelo. Canelo had to slim down for that fight just to make the drain. Vergil will not suffer such a circumstance nor would it be a catch weight. And lastly, Canelo had to be careful being so depleted going 12 because of the post drain fatigue. It is what it is, but Canelo was never as fast as Floyd too. So it’s not the same. Plus watching Canelo box Floyd was a bad idea, but he had to. Trying to walk down Floyd since round 1 Canelo might have looked worse going the second half. In all not a realistic comparison nor does Crawford have defense like Floyd. Crawford likes to exchange. That might be a bad idea against Vergil wouldn’t you say?

Bro.....I don't think a torso Includes limbs & arms anywhere in this world.......a torso has always been a torso At what weight did canelo fight lara

[Thuglife Nelo]

Bro.....I don't think a torso Includes limbs & arms anywhere in this world.......a torso has always been a torso At what weight did canelo fight lara

And that’s why I said chest and back…

[ShoulderRoll]

I thought that Bread’s comments about Canelo’s resume were fair. For example, the Lara fight could have gone either way.

Nitpicking is saying that Crawford “struggled” with a guy who landed a few good shots and ended up getting stopped.

Kavaliuskas dropped Crawford. It is what it is.

That should stick out like a sore thumb to the "eye test" fans. And it's just as relevant to this discussion as Canelo vs Lara. Even more, actually, because Lara is a much more accomplished fighter than Mean Machine.

If a guy like that can put Dud on the ground what do you think a Canelo of the same size would be able to do?

[ShoulderRoll]

nice try but pbc fighters can say whatever they want but nothing gets done unless Haymon ok’s it and he never has and won’t unless he’s forced to do so like with this Porter mandatory. Either you think I don’t know any better about the boxing business or you really don’t know any better about the boxing business. There’s nothing emotional about any of my arguments with canelo. I base my opinion on facts. Just like I deproved your stance about Crawford “struggling” with facts. You don’t struggle when you won 20 of 24 scored round and won by ko. If you’re going to make arguments, at least make them valid because it’s actually you canelo fans who get emotional and just want all of the praise without any of the justified criticism. Canelo fans act like they know him personally or something. Try being an actual boxing fan instead of a blind loyalist to a fighter who doesn’t even know you exist.

Don't try to pass off your opinions as coming from some knowledgeable boxing mind while everybody that disagrees with you DKSAB.

You said Thurman definitely wants no part of Crawford. You were obviously wrong about that as Thurman told them to send over a contract so he could sign it.

All we heard was crickets from Dud's side as usual. But he's being avoided, doe.

The man is going to turn 34 next month and he STILL doesn't have a legacy-defining win. Thats why his defenders are left to proclaim him great based on what they think he could do, rather than on what he has actually done.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well....it hasn't actually, the point is Crawfords has had the more convincing wins, he's resume is sub-par but that ain't his fault.

More convincing wins are expected against opponents who are more mediocre. There's nothing special about that. And it is his fault, he renewed his contract with Top Rank knowing that all the smoke was on the other side of the street.

In any case the relevant point for this discussion is that we all saw a guy with the style of a poor man's Canelo drop Crawford. If Mean Machine could do that what might a Canelo of the same size do? Goodness, it makes my imagination run wild with the possibilities.

Why doesn't Bread bring up that angle at all in his analysis with the same energy that he nitpicks Alvarez' resume? He's certainly entitled to his opinion but we are also entitled to point out what we see as errors or bias in his logic.

[Walexhris]

More convincing wins are expected against opponents who are more mediocre. There's nothing special about that. And it is his fault, he renewed his contract with Top Rank knowing that all the smoke was on the other side of the street.

In any case the relevant point for this discussion is that we all saw a guy with the style of a poor man's Canelo drop Crawford. If Mean Machine could do that what might a Canelo of the same size do? Goodness, it makes my imagination run wild with the possibilities.

Why doesn't Bread bring up that angle at all in his analysis with the same energy that he nitpicks Alvarez' resume? He's certainly entitled to his opinion but we are also entitled to point out what we see as errors or bias in his logic.

Well........why don't you write in, that way we all get a feel of his opinion on this view point

[Walexhris]

Lol

And that’s why I said chest and back…

Lol.....a torso is a torso

[ShoulderRoll]

Well........why don't you write in, that way we all get a feel of his opinion on this view point

I've written in before and two of my questions have appeared in his Mailbag columns.

But when I ask him something I like it to be for a subject I don't know about where he can share some insight. Wouldn't waste it on something like this, I already know that Terence Crawford's resume is vastly inferior to Canelo's and that if they were both the same size Crawford would have his hands full more than he did with Mean Machine.

[Shadoww702]

Very Good.... Canelo had that torso, he also had speed & youth on his side, he was favoured to take Floyd to that "zone", but he fell short

Canelo also had one of the WORST game plans ever!!!

He thought he could out box Floyd. That was his entire plan and had no plan B. I don't know why his trainer didn't slap Canelo upside the head and tell him don't be ******.