Porters on the verge of ATGreatness. Why is he still called a gatekeeper,bum,etc.?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Duran beat Ray 1st fight, 2nd fight was no mas but it was also a close fight

He quit. That's a decisive loss.

Duran Hagler fight was competitive, it was foty i think or foty candidate

Uh, what?

Anyone who watched that fight, witnessed The Marvelous One issuing a boxing lesson on Manos.

Plus you gotta figure in Duran was a LW

Hagler was a MW, ray was a big WW, hearns was a huge WW

"At The End Of The Day", Duran LOST!!!...to the other 3 Kings.

If we're going to say that Porter is a bum because he lost every time he stepped up, then Duran must be a bum too because he lost to everyone he stepped up against.

Be consistent.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Winky Wright is an all time great.

His opinion on THAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT doesn’t change the fact that equating Winky Wright to Shawn Porter is insane.

...okay, we're done here.

[SweetPbfAli]

Duran lost to the other 3 Kings. Decisively.

Porter has only lost to the cream of the crop in close, sometimes disputed finishes, never blown out, never knocked out.

Sounds like people are being hypocrites again, as per usual.

Okay, but who has he beat? I like Porter but this is a ridiculous conversation. And to mention Duran as a comparison when he was likely the greatest lightweight ever prior to even fighting the other kings.

Beating prime SRL, losing close to Hagler, and getting stopped by prime Hearns is much different than beating Garcia, and losing to Brook, Thurman, and Spence. The last two were close but he clearly lost to Brook.

[_Maxi]

Porter has three clear losses that no one debates. And a ugly / dirty style. He will lose to Crawford too.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Your take: Duran lost decisively to Ray Leonard, after beating him.

Well, Shawn Porter lost decisively to Kell Brook.

How is that equatable?

Your take: Roberto Duran got outboxed by Marvin Hagler.

Well, Porter got outboxed by Kell Brook!

How is that equatable?

Duran didn’t lose every time he stepped up.

He beat Iran Barkley and Ray Leonard.

Are you drunk? That’s the only thing that can explain your take in this thread.

He quit. That's a decisive loss.




Uh, what?

Anyone who watched that fight, witnessed The Marvelous One issuing a boxing lesson on Manos.





"At The End Of The Day", Duran LOST!!!...to the other 3 Kings.

If we're going to say that Porter is a bum because he lost every time he stepped up, then Duran must be a bum too because he lost to everyone he stepped up against.

Be consistent.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Okay, but who has he beat?

Bro, many of us smart folks like Fists_of_Fury are still waiting for some of you smart marks to answer that question about Crawford.

Or are you seriously suggesting that Crawford has a better win on the resume than Shawn Porter does on his?

Before you answer, let me remind you: Adrien Broner is also a four-division champion. So

[SweetPbfAli]

Bro, many of us smart folks like Fists_of_Fury are still waiting for some of you smart marks to answer that question about Crawford.

Or are you seriously suggesting that Crawford has a better win on the resume than Shawn Porter does on his?

Before you answer, let me remind you: Adrien Broner is also a four-division champion. So

Bud isn't an ATG either lol. WTH?

But, Bud was undisputed at 140 and multiple division champ. Whether you like him or not (you clearly don't), you can't take that away from him.

Broner might get into the HOF based on what you mentioned although those in the know can easily break down his title wins and the positioning of him getting those fights. There was a lot of vacant title fights etc.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Gamboa was undefeated and a top 10 p4p fighter when Terence Crawford beat him.

Shawn Porter holds zero wins over undefeated top 10 p4p fighters.

Jeff Horn was an undefeated welterweight champion when Crawford beat him.

Shawn Porter holds zero wins over undefeated welterweight champions.

Terence Crawford beat Kell Brook, who won his welterweight title by beating Shawn Porter.

Who did Shawn Porter beat who’s better than Kell Brook?

You mentioned Adrien Broner. Every welterweight Terence Crawford has beaten is a better welterweight than Adrien Broner is.

Is there anything else I can do for you?

Bro, many of us smart folks like Fists_of_Fury are still waiting for some of you smart marks to answer that question about Crawford.

Or are you seriously suggesting that Crawford has a better win on the resume than Shawn Porter does on his?

Before you answer, let me remind you: Adrien Broner is also a four-division champion. So

[Combat Talk Radio]

Bud isn't an ATG either lol. WTH?

But, Bud was undisputed at 140 and multiple division champ. Whether you like him or not (you clearly don't), you can't take that away from him.

Broner might get into the HOF based on what you mentioned although those in the know can easily break down his title wins and the positioning of him getting those fights. There was a lot of vacant title fights etc.

Bro, both of Crawford's lineals were vacant. His undisputeds were against weak opposition - Dulorme instead of Matthysse, for example.

Do you understand?

This is why I said that this is more about testing Crawford than anything.

Crawford hasn't achieved significantly more than Broner, and Porter pitched a shut out against four-division champion Broner and damn near beat the top dog in prime Spence.

That one win alone against Broner is superior to any of Crawford's wins. The performance against Spence is superior to any of Crawford's 147 fights because none of them were were prime/uninjured.

Do you not understand how pathetic that truth is?

That's the problem.

[SweetPbfAli]

Bro, both of Crawford's lineals were vacant. His undisputeds were against weak opposition - Dulorme instead of Matthysse, for example.

Do you understand?

This is why I said that this is more about testing Crawford than anything.

Crawford hasn't achieved significantly more than Broner, and Porter pitched a shut out against four-division champion Broner and damn near beat the top dog in prime Spence.

That one win alone against Broner is superior to any of Crawford's wins. The performance against Spence is superior to any of Crawford's 147 fights because none of them were were prime/uninjured.

Do you not understand how pathetic that truth is?

That's the problem.

Why do you keep referencing Crawford? .

The thing with information is that once you receive new information, you have a right to change your position. Knowing what we know about Broner, does that Porter win really mean as much as you think? Broner may have been the favorite in the Porter fight but we know how name recognition works in that regard. Porter beating Broner the way he should have because Broner isn't what they wanted us to believe he was.

So back to the topic at hand. How does beating Broner make Porter and ATG? How does beating Crawford make Porter and ATG? You took this as a moment to throw shade at Crawford which is bizarre. I literally said Crawford wasn't ATG because he doesn't have the wins, so what are we talking about? If you don't like Crawford, that's cool but this is literally about Porter. I'll also concede this, if/when they fight, they will be each other's best win but the win wouldn't make neither an ATG.

But please, back to Porter.