Porters on the verge of ATGreatness. Why is he still called a gatekeeper,bum,etc.?

[ShaneMosleySr]

He’s trying to turn the debate into Crawford vs. Porter instead of 1980s legends vs. Porter because he dug a deep hole on the 80s legends vs. Porter debate.

Why do you keep referencing Crawford? .

The thing with information is that once you receive new information, you have a right to change your position. Knowing what we know about Broner, does that Porter win really mean as much as you think? Broner may have been the favorite in the Porter fight but we know how name recognition works in that regard. Porter beating Broner the way he should have because Broner isn't what they wanted us to believe he was.

So back to the topic at hand. How does beating Broner make Porter and ATG? How does beating Crawford make Porter and ATG? You took this as a moment to throw shade at Crawford which is bizarre. I literally said Crawford wasn't ATG because he doesn't have the wins, so what are we talking about? If you don't like Crawford, that's cool but this is literally about Porter. I'll also concede this, if/when they fight, they will be each other's best win but the win wouldn't make neither an ATG.

But please, back to Porter.

[Combat Talk Radio]

How does beating Crawford make Porter and ATG?

Don't do that.

You and many others ran around here echoing ESPN and TBRB, calling this guy #1 P4P for years.

Ok, so if he's a P4P, then beating a P4P damn sure makes you something, don't it?

[Left Hook Tua]

He quit. That's a decisive loss.




Uh, what?

Anyone who watched that fight, witnessed The Marvelous One issuing a boxing lesson on Manos.





"At The End Of The Day", Duran LOST!!!...to the other 3 Kings.

If we're going to say that Porter is a bum because he lost every time he stepped up, then Duran must be a bum too because he lost to everyone he stepped up against.

Be consistent.

Duran lost to everyone he stepped up against?

he was 72-1 when he lost to leonard 2nd fight

Only loss to Esteban de Jesus which he avenged twice by ko


You dont see the difference between Duran a 135 fighter losing fights to 147,154,160 guys?

and 147 porter losing to other 147 guys?

[ShaneMosleySr]

If Crawford beats Porter, I expect you to credit him for beating a Hagler/Duran/Whitaker/Wright/Pacquiao-esque champion.

Don't do that.

You and many others ran around here echoing ESPN and TBRB, calling this guy #1 P4P for years.

Ok, so if he's a P4P, then beating a P4P damn sure makes you something, don't it?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Duran lost to everyone he stepped up against?

he was 72-1 when he lost to leonard 2nd fight

Only loss to Esteban de Jesus which he avenged twice by ko


You dont see the difference between Duran a 135 fighter losing fights to 147,154,160 guys?

and 147 porter losing to other 147 guys?

You're changing the narrative. Moving the goalposts.

What started my response was the statement that Porter is "only a one-time champion", which is false. He's a two-time champion.

I then gave two examples just off the top of the head of two other two-time champions.

Now you're talking wins and losses.

Don't sit up there discrediting the # of championships Porter had, then when I expose why that's faulty logic, you switch to wins and losses.


By that shifted logic, Edwin Valero died an ATG. Right?

[ShaneMosleySr]

Why did you bring up Roberto Duran instead of Shannon Briggs?

Both two time champions.

Porter is much closer to Briggs than Duran.

Yet you made it about equating Porter to one of the greatest fighters of all time.

You're changing the narrative. Moving the goalposts.

What started my response was the statement that Porter is "only a one-time champion", which is false. He's a two-time champion.

I then gave two examples just off the top of the head of two other two-time champions.

Now you're talking wins and losses.

Don't sit up there discrediting the # of championships Porter had, then when I expose why that's faulty logic, you switch to wins and losses.


By that shifted logic, Edwin Valero died an ATG. Right?

[eco1]

Verge of all time great? He's 1-3 in his biggest fights and don't have enough good to great wins at all.

What is happening here? Lol

While I do not think he is ATG I think 2 of those looses were bad decisions.

[Left Hook Tua]

You're changing the narrative. Moving the goalposts.

What started my response was the statement that Porter is "only a one-time champion", which is false. He's a two-time champion.

I then gave two examples just off the top of the head of two other two-time champions.

Now you're talking wins and losses.

Don't sit up there discrediting the # of championships Porter had, then when I expose why that's faulty logic, you switch to wins and losses.


By that shifted logic, Edwin Valero died an ATG. Right?

Changing narrative?

Moving goal posts?

You guys love claiming stuff when you guys made a dumb point.


I'm just replying to you mentioning Duran lost to 3 atg.

I dont even know how that applies to porter.

Porter hasn't fought any atg.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Changing narrative?

Moving goal posts?

You guys love claiming stuff when you guys made a dumb point.


I'm just replying to you mentioning Duran lost to 3 atg.

I dont even know how that applies to porter.

Porter hasn't fought any atg.

Because you jumped into the discussion while failing to understand the points made.

Meanwhile, you didn't bother to go back to where this started to understand those points - which is a blithering idiot named HOF Hater who discredited Porter as having "only" won a championship once. I corrected him and gave other examples of two-time champions, both locks for Hall of Fame if not already there.

Meaning, if we're going by # of championships, Porter is already a lock because he has the same number.

The problem is, you and I both know that there's more to it than that.

Which means using that to say Porter won't be considered an ATG is ******, because other ATGs have failed when they had big fights. Like Duran.

Why? Because some of the best in the business took losses. That didn't define them. What defined them was what they left in the ring.

Now, all I'm saying is, we sat here for five years dealing with people calling Terence Crawford #1 P4P, saying he beats prime Floyd, he beats Canelo, nobody beats him, etc.

Ok.

IF THAT'S TRUE, then how can Porter beating such an unstoppable force in the game not elevate him to ATG?

That's the problem with calling these untested 'eye test' fighters such lofty credentials, because if/when they get schooled, here come the excuses.

[F l i c k e r]

He'll have to do more than beat Crawford.

He beats Crawford, he gets the WBO belt.

Fights the winner of Pac/Spence AND beat them?

He'll be on the doorstep. All he has to do is unify with Ugas and seal the deal. Undisputed, Unified Welterweight champion with a solid resume on top of that.