Comments Thread For: Bivol's Promoter: The Canelo Fight Has Been Mentioned To Us, It's a Great Test

[sidefx996]

Caleb Plant is a coward

Seriously???

Canelo Alvarez-Caleb Plant fight talks break off with sources saying deal is dead (espn.com)

[NachoMan]

I feel like Canelo is played out. We've seen the same movie too many times. Floyd made Boxing the most money so we saw that same movie for a decade, and now with Canelo it's a continuation of the same thing. I just don't really care who he fights. Pretty much everyone underperforms like crazy when they fight him. Sure you can say that's because of Canelo, but when you watch boxing long enough, you can tell when one boxer is performing great, but also, when one boxer is performing poorly. GGG was never such a basic plodding fighter until he fought Canelo. The Callum Smith we saw vs N'Dam and others was not who showed up vs Canelo. Kovalev had enough power to keep one of the strongest LHW's we've seen, Anthony Yarde, honest all fight, then enough to KO him with a jab once he got tired. Vs little Canelo, suddenly Kovalev was Paulie Malignaggi. And no he wasn't weight drained because Canelo fought him at 175 with a 10 lbs rehydration clause, and Kovalev doesn't rehydrate more than 10 lbs either.

It's just boring at this point. Heck, Dmitry Bivol has started to underperform before even getting in the ring with Canelo. Back when the boxing establishment was trying to build him into a big star, the next GGG, Bivol was knocking everyone out in line with the promotional push. Once it became clear he was not a ticket seller and never would be, suddenly he becomes Paulie Malignaggi too, and starts fighting only once a year, and basically takes a backseat to other guys who sell more tickets.

It's funny how that works, right?

So if this fight gets made, Bivol will probably start performing like he has no power, and run all night from little Canelo, instead of keeping Canelo at mid and long range and piecing him up with fast, full power combinations, and quickly depleting his low stamina tank and then putting an extended beating on him once he's a sitting duck the last six rounds of the fight. This is despite facing an opponent who has equal handspeed, worse footspeed, shorter reach, worse stamina, and is less powerful, less strong, basically worse-in-every-way-except-head-movement opponent (which can be easily negated when you have every other advantage). Don't get me wrong, Canelo is physically stronger P4P, but at light heavyweight, Bivol is physically stronger and has advantages in every area except head movement, and handspeed which is a tie.
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That is THE funniest, most twisted rationalization I've read in a good while.

[Cinci Champ]

This would be a fantastic fight. Bivol, while not well-known, is an true, elite LHW. Wonder how Canelo will handle his combinations and power. Might be doing this one just for his haters. This is a very dangerous fight for Canelo.

plant was always the easiest option

[ShoulderRoll]

Canelo is willing to take on all comers and all killers.

Meanwhile Jermall Charlo stays ducking David Benavidez and Demetrius Andrade. Lions Only...cowardly lions, that is.

Who are Beterbiev and Golovkin fighting next? Have Dud Crawford and Porter signed that fight yet?

Canelo is the baddest in the game. Let's just acknowledge it.

[chepboxingking]

Canelo beats Kovalev. Haters:

ChErRyPiCKiNg! He'D nEvEr FaCe BiVoL Or ArTuR. cAnElO iS A fOoKiNg PuSsiiEe.

[Bronx23]

I have heard drug testing was the sticking point to the Plant fight not happening? Plant wanted more stringent testing?

No. He was saying that with about 7 weeks to go they haven’t even started any testing because obviously the fight wasn’t signed & that he hadn’t started camp yet (His own fault)

The dagger was Canelo flexing his A side muscle. In the event that Plant got hurt or tested positive for Covid before the fight, Canelo wanted to be able to fight a late replacement for the same money he would have gotten against Plant. If Canelo got hurt or got Covid, the fight would be postponed & Plant would have to wait for him

so basically the negotiations fell apart over an “if”

[BoxingIsGreat]

No way Alvared even thinks about fighting this guy nor Beterbiev. They're not old, feather fist and shot

Beterbiev (at 36) is old but well preserved and his size and strength would be a nightmare for Canelo to overcome.

[tokon]

I feel like Canelo is played out. We've seen the same movie too many times. Floyd made Boxing the most money so we saw that same movie for a decade, and now with Canelo it's a continuation of the same thing. I just don't really care who he fights. Pretty much everyone underperforms like crazy when they fight him. Sure you can say that's because of Canelo, but when you watch boxing long enough, you can tell when one boxer is performing great, but also, when one boxer is performing poorly. GGG was never such a basic plodding fighter until he fought Canelo. The Callum Smith we saw vs N'Dam and others was not who showed up vs Canelo. Kovalev had enough power to keep one of the strongest LHW's we've seen, Anthony Yarde, honest all fight, then enough to KO him with a jab once he got tired. Vs little Canelo, suddenly Kovalev was Paulie Malignaggi. And no he wasn't weight drained because Canelo fought him at 175 with a 10 lbs rehydration clause, and Kovalev doesn't rehydrate more than 10 lbs either.

It's just boring at this point. Heck, Dmitry Bivol has started to underperform before even getting in the ring with Canelo. Back when the boxing establishment was trying to build him into a big star, the next GGG, Bivol was knocking everyone out in line with the promotional push. Once it became clear he was not a ticket seller and never would be, suddenly he becomes Paulie Malignaggi too, and starts fighting only once a year, and basically takes a backseat to other guys who sell more tickets.

It's funny how that works, right?

So if this fight gets made, Bivol will probably start performing like he has no power, and run all night from little Canelo, instead of keeping Canelo at mid and long range and piecing him up with fast, full power combinations, and quickly depleting his low stamina tank and then putting an extended beating on him once he's a sitting duck the last six rounds of the fight. This is despite facing an opponent who has equal handspeed, worse footspeed, shorter reach, worse stamina, and is less powerful, less strong, basically worse-in-every-way-except-head-movement opponent (which can be easily negated when you have every other advantage). Don't get me wrong, Canelo is physically stronger P4P, but at light heavyweight, Bivol is physically stronger and has advantages in every area except head movement, and handspeed which is a tie.

It's played out. It's boring to watch the same movie over and over, first with Floyd, now with Canelo. It almost doesn't matter who Canelo faces anymore. It's the same script just with one new actor. As talented as Canelo is, that's just boring.

So, what are you actually saying here?

Seriously.

I'm not quite sure what your message is.

[-Kev-]

I agree with your opinion on Canelo/Lara. But I think that regarding Canelo/GGG, you are being mislead by BoxRec terminology, which labels any punch that isn't a jab a "power punch". The only objective way to judge the power of a punch is by the effect it has on the guy who takes it, not by the type of punch it is. Eg, if one guy lands a clean, stiff jab, and the other lands a clean left hook, and neither guy is visibly hurt or shaken, then those 2 punches should be judged as equivalent. That's the way judges are taught to score fights and it's the only way to score a fight objectively.


The key to beating Canelo is simply to land more punches, in more rounds, on him than he lands on you. It shouldn't matter whether the punches you land are jabs, hooks, backhands, crosses, whatever, as long as they land clean. And of course, you also need fair, impartial judges who don't award extra points for A side status or popularity.

I am not sure what boxrec has to do with jabs.

I can only go by what I saw.

Abel Sanchez, after the rematch, also said something similar. That GGG was not supposed to back off like that and just jab all night. He said the gameplan was to take the fight to Canelo. According to GGG’s own trainer, GGG changed the gameplan on his own in the ring. Went completely against what they trained and planned for. Pre-fight, GGG and Sanchez were telling anyone who listens: “Mexican style, big drama show”. Talking about they will mKe it a fight. Then GGG fought on the back foot all night. Lost clearly. So idk what fight his fans saw when his own coach said Canelo deserved the win and GGG did not fight as they trained. Fans know more than a fighter’s coach I guess.

[landotter]

That this could derail the Beterbiev/Bivol fight that most of us have wanted for nearly 2 years is aggravating. I realize most anyone in three divisions would take the payday of an Alvarez fight. I get it. But I do not like it. If Beterbiev unifies with Smith, that Bivol fight would have been the biggest for each and worth the 2 year wait.

Sure, Bivol bleeding himself dry to get to 164 for this fight is at least interesting. But I guess I am in the minority in thinking it is so less a fight then Beterbiev. That is ok. I am used to being on an island.