Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Risks All-Time Big-Man Title in Deontay Wilder Trilogy

[billeau2]

On average, the biggest fighters are indeed the hardest punchers!

Could Mike Tyson and Julian Jackson punch harder than Fury and Valuev?

Iron mike probably could, but he was a 220lb HW with lightening speed and the ability to get his full body weight behind his punches.

Could Julian Jackson? Nope, absolutely not. Most journeyman HWs would eat Julian Jackson's punches like they were nothing.

One example you used yourself here actually proves the fallacy of your own argument. Bob Foster, weighing in at 175lbs, was one of the hardest punching LHWs ever. Was he one of the hardest punching HWs when he tried moving up? No, compared to the top HWs of his day, Fosters power was no better than average.

Edit: When boxing pundits talk about Julian Jackson being one of the hardest punchers in boxing history they are talking in P4P terms. In other words, they are comparing his power to that of other MWs, not to fighters in higher divisions and definitely not to HWs.

How do you know? we never measured the punching power of Foster or jackson. But we definitely see that bigger heavyweights are seldom big punchers. Then you make conditions for Tyson which are exactly what I am talking about... speed and mechanics remember? Most Heavyweights would be able to use their size and reach against jackson for sure... By the way Foster Ko'ed Mike Qarry... He lost to Frazier and it was not because of his punch. Qarry would be another example BTW.

I don't even pretend to know precisely at what weight it becomes immaterial to punch power. I do know that punching power loses its correlation to mass at some point,probably before 190 or so.

I also do not know exactly how the relationship works: I mean... are certain body dynamics, or speed more prohibitive at a certain size? Could we make a 260 pound Deontay Wilder? But you are incorrect that the biggest fighters are the hardest punchers.

[I have no ears]

People said Wilder was the hardest hitting heavyweight ever too didn't they? And that was just a little bit over a year ago. Does that mean they were right? Whether or not Whyte has a chance against Fury, it's boxing and these are heavyweights. EVERYBODY has a chance against everybody at heavyweight. Fighting each other to prove who is the better fighter IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POINT of boxing. Not avoiding fights and saying that you are better. But that's what boxing now is. Fighting the worst guys possible, avoiding the best out there all while parading around claiming no one can beat you. Wilder and Fury have done this for years now and it's sickening that you guys back them up on this. Imagine a football team that got to the Super Bowl by playing the worst teams they could possibly choose, then when they got to the Super Bowl, they wanted more money to play the other team. That's basically what Fury has done for years now. Fought chumps, plus Wilder, while avoiding the rest of the best. Give me one reason why Fury and Wilder haven't fought Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Haye, AJ and the rest of the better heavyweights of the past 5 years? Why do they agree to fight each other or any bum possible...yet when it comes to a unification fight with AJ, everything gets weird and they want more money than they've made in their entire career combined? Ali fought the best boxers for two decades. Many of them 2 or 3 times. Tyson, Lewis, all of these boxers fought or at least tried to fight the best of their generations. Yet Fury and Wilder have gone this long without fighting at least ONE guy in the top 15????? And you guys support this??

Fury tried to fight Haye twice and haye pulled out both times, parker is one of his best friends in boxing so I assume they wouldn't fight unless parker is his mandatory, I get what you're saying with wilder, I'm not gonna deny his record is padded but Tyson fought a heavyweight champion who hadn't been beaten for 11 and a half years ffs, povetkin and Whyte to me are not top quality hw's, why do u give Whyte a pass btw when he's been caught cheating? Same argument u make for fury being a fraud with having nandrolone in his system is exactly what Whyte has done in the past on more than one occasion and the one time we know for sure he didn't have anything in his system, he struggled to even get past Mariusz wach ffs, and povetkin almost lost to David Price who we now know was a very average boxer. The fact is, yes wilder had a padded record but he and Joshua never agreed to fight in the end, and that I believe was partly due to hearn and AJ not wanting to take the risk with a guy who is a known ko artist, then fury comes back, has 2 tune up fights and jumps straight in with wilder. I just don't think your argument stands up to scrutiny

[thetruthteller]

Fury tried to fight Haye twice and haye pulled out both times, parker is one of his best friends in boxing so I assume they wouldn't fight unless parker is his mandatory, I get what you're saying with wilder, I'm not gonna deny his record is padded but Tyson fought a heavyweight champion who hadn't been beaten for 11 and a half years ffs, povetkin and Whyte to me are not top quality hw's, why do u give Whyte a pass btw when he's been caught cheating? Same argument u make for fury being a fraud with having nandrolone in his system is exactly what Whyte has done in the past on more than one occasion and the one time we know for sure he didn't have anything in his system, he struggled to even get past Mariusz wach ffs, and povetkin almost lost to David Price who we now know was a very average boxer. The fact is, yes wilder had a padded record but he and Joshua never agreed to fight in the end, and that I believe was partly due to hearn and AJ not wanting to take the risk with a guy who is a known ko artist, then fury comes back, has 2 tune up fights and jumps straight in with wilder. I just don't think your argument stands up to scrutiny

Where did I say I gave Whyte a pass? This is not about him. Fury and Wilder BOTH have padded records. Fury had 2 tune ups, then fought Wilder and a couple more tune ups. Add that to the tune ups before fighting Wilder and Klitschko and what do you have? A resume that has 2 good fighters on it and a LOT of tune ups. That should not make him the best of the bunch. Again. It's like saying 1+1+1+1=30. It doesn't. And it is sad that Hearn made Wilder multiple offers that consisted of life changing money and unification, and he repeatedly turned them all down. How do you turn that into Hearn and AJ not wanting that fight?

[kafkod]

I do know that punching power loses its correlation to mass at some point,probably before 190 or so.

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[I have no ears]

Where did I say I gave Whyte a pass? This is not about him. Fury and Wilder BOTH have padded records. Fury had 2 tune ups, then fought Wilder and a couple more tune ups. Add that to the tune ups before fighting Wilder and Klitschko and what do you have? A resume that has 2 good fighters on it and a LOT of tune ups. That should not make him the best of the bunch. Again. It's like saying 1+1+1+1=30. It doesn't. And it is sad that Hearn made Wilder multiple offers that consisted of life changing money and unification, and he repeatedly turned them all down. How do you turn that into him not wanting that fight?

U didn't say u gave Whyte a pass but u did say fury should have fought Whyte when Whyte is clearly not on his level, and a known drugs cheat. Which is partly why u said fury was a fraud. Also fury has only ever fought 4 guys with losing records, so that's not a lot of cans, yes he's not fought everyone, but who has? Joshua has a better record but that's because he's had to keep fighting Mando's to keep hold of the belts whereas fury dropped the belts and got fat, fury has sparred many guys u speak of, so it's not like he's avoiding anyone, it was his circumstances that made him fight who he did when he did, he would have fought a prime Haye but Haye bitched out once and got a cut the other time, he fought chisora twice, he's fought Klitschko whilst Klitschko hadn't been beaten for more than a decade, I maintain u will see how good Otto wallin is soon, pianeta as a tune up is a pretty good fight as he is not a bad fighter, he tried to fight kabayel as he's a European champ with an undefeated record who can clearly box as shown in his win against chisora, who is always one or two fights away from a title shot. If he beats wilder again then fights Joshua, and wins, then he is undisputed, he then has a few mando's and his record will look alot better, but it's not the worst record going by a long shot and the fact remains he's ended Klitschko's undefeated run of 11 and a half years and beat wilder twice who no-one could beat even if he fought **** opposition until he got 30-35 fights

[kafkod]

By the way Foster Ko'ed Mike Qarry... He lost to Frazier and it was not because of his punch. Qarry would be another example BTW.

Please tell me you are not confusing Mike Quarry with the famous HW contender Gerry Quarry,?

[thetruthteller]

U didn't say u gave Whyte a pass but u did say fury should have fought Whyte when Whyte is clearly not on his level, and a known drugs cheat. Which is partly why u said fury was a fraud. Also fury has only ever fought 4 guys with losing records, so that's not a lot of cans, yes he's not fought everyone, but who has? Joshua has a better record but that's because he's had to keep fighting Mando's to keep hold of the belts whereas fury dropped the belts and got fat, fury has sparred many guys u speak of, so it's not like he's avoiding anyone, it was his circumstances that made him fight who he did when he did, he would have fought a prime Haye but Haye bitched out once and got a cut the other time, he fought chisora twice, he's fought Klitschko whilst Klitschko hadn't been beaten for more than a decade, I maintain u will see how good Otto wallin is soon, pianeta as a tune up is a pretty good fight as he is not a bad fighter, he tried to fight kabayel as he's a European champ with an undefeated record who can clearly box as shown in his win against chisora, who is always one or two fights away from a title shot. If he beats wilder again then fights Joshua, and wins, then he is undisputed, he then has a few mando's and his record will look alot better, but it's not the worst record going by a long shot and the fact remains he's ended Klitschko's undefeated run of 11 and a half years and beat wilder twice who no-one could beat even if he fought **** opposition until he got 30-35 fights

All I hear is excuses and passes given to Fury. Drug cheat. Check. No title defenses. Check. Only fought one guy in the current top 15. Check. These are facts. You can spin them all you want, yet they still remain. If he beats Wilder again, which is no guarantee, I am positive he will try to sneak another bum fight in before fighting AJ. Then he will skip the mandatory if he happens to beat AJ, which he won't. Pianeta is a Euro bum. Kabayel is too. Wallin? His best fight is a loss. You are not making a great claim with these guys, you are only strengthening my case. Fury was on roids when he fought Klitschko and that's part of why he couldn't rematch him. So his victory should have an asterisk by it. And Chisora??? He's like the girl at your school that everybody had *** with. And again, there's been no mention of his "mental illness" or "addiction "since he doesn't need to use it to make everyone look away from the fact that he and his cousin cheated and took roids. That is very convenient

[I have no ears]

All I hear is excuses and passes given to Fury. Drug cheat. Check. No title defenses. Check. Only fought one guy in the current top 15. Check. These are facts. You can spin them all you want, yet they still remain. If he beats Wilder again, which is no guarantee, I am positive he will try to sneak another bum fight in before fighting AJ. Then he will skip the mandatory if he happens to beat AJ, which he won't. Pianeta is a Euro bum. Kabayel is too. Wallin? His best fight is a loss. You are not making a great claim with these guys, you are only strengthening my case. Fury was on roids when he fought Klitschko and that's part of why he couldn't rematch him. So his victory should have an asterisk by it. And Chisora??? He's like the girl at your school that everybody had *** with. And again, there's been no mention of his "mental illness" or "addiction "since he doesn't need to use it to make everyone look away from the fact that he and his cousin cheated and took roids. That is very convenient

Again, everyone knows he cheated one time, it's well documented, I'm not giving him a pass, for the 4th time, I'm simply stating that so many other guys in the past 20 years have been caught that it's barely relevant, he hasn't been on the roids since, so he's not getting any benefit from that, the fact is he's consensus number 1, it's only u and a few other ppl in the world that don't know what there looking at that think differently, and Klitschko, chisora, wallin and wilder are all top 15 or were in Klitschko's case and he has only fought four guys with losing records on his way up the rankings so again I don't buy that bs that he hasn't fought anyone, and kabayel is ranked in the top 15 in 3 of the 4 organisations so that proposed matchup wasn't against a bum, if u saw him fight chisora u would know that but judging by your lack of knowledge on the subject I highly doubt that. I get it though bro, your argument is u hate Tyson fury and every boxer below top 10 is a bum to u, why bother watching boxing if this is your feelings about it, most boxing enthusiast's can get amped for a guy in the top 50 fighting another guy just inside top 50, it's a fight and it's what we love to see, yet u believe everyone is a bum other than Whyte somehow and Ortiz and Ruiz and obviously Joshua as u wouldn't have these feelings about fury if u weren't a huge Joshua fangirl

[thetruthteller]

Again, everyone knows he cheated one time, it's well documented, I'm not giving him a pass, for the 4th time, I'm simply stating that so many other guys in the past 20 years have been caught that it's barely relevant, he hasn't been on the roids since, so he's not getting any benefit from that, the fact is he's consensus number 1, it's only u and a few other ppl in the world that don't know what there looking at that think differently, and Klitschko, chisora, wallin and wilder are all top 15 or were in Klitschko's case and he has only fought four guys with losing records on his way up the rankings so again I don't buy that bs that he hasn't fought anyone, and kabayel is ranked in the top 15 in 3 of the 4 organisations so that proposed matchup wasn't against a bum, if u saw him fight chisora u would know that but judging by your lack of knowledge on the subject I highly doubt that. I get it though bro, your argument is u hate Tyson fury and every boxer below top 10 is a bum to u, why bother watching boxing if this is your feelings about it, most boxing enthusiast's can get amped for a guy in the top 50 fighting another guy just inside top 50, it's a fight and it's what we love to see, yet u believe everyone is a bum other than Whyte somehow and Ortiz and Ruiz and obviously Joshua as u wouldn't have these feelings about fury if u weren't a huge Joshua fangirl

You are wrong on so many points here that is is hard to keep up. But I will try. Wallin was ranked 83rd when Fury fought him. His ranking went up based on losing to Fury and going 12 rounds in a fight that Wallin should have won, based on cuts. Kabayel was one of the lowest ranked guys in the WBC and that was the real reason Fury was choosing him. To be able to fight someone within the top 15 of the WBC and still keep his belt. Conveniently skipping over the rest of the contenders within the top 15 of the WBC, let alone the world. But I'm sure you;ll give him a pass on that too since you have somehow praised Pianeta on here and also gave Fury a pass for nandrolone. If anyone is obsessed with another fighter, it's you being obsessed with Whyte because you seem to bring him up in every debate for no reason. Ruiz? He is this generation's Buster Douglass. Ortiz? He is another imposter who has yet to have a good win on his record yet everybody wants to say how good he is. Besides Whyte, I would say that AJ is the only one out there who is actively trying to fight the best. Not a fangirl, not in the least. But I can at least appreciate that he is trying to fight the best to actually prove he is the best. And that's what boxing is supposed to be about. Also, Fury has not been "clean" every since getting caught. The main reason why he went the WBC route is because they are very relaxed on PEDs testing and VADA. And you can ask Canelo all about it. I don't hate Fury. Just like I didn't hate Wilder when he was champion. I just see them both very clearly for what they are. Frauds who refuse to fight the rest of the best heavyweights. But they still want to be praised like they have beaten everyone. Again, just saying you can beat someone, doesn't mean that you can beat them. Prove it in the ring. And neither of these two have done that. Wilder being a fraud is now common knowledge. Fury is next to be exposed. And to be honest, he is VERY lucky that the unification fights did not go through because he would have been torn apart by AJ, who has been training this entire time. Fury has been partying and celebrating and not doing the work. This may catch up to him in the Wilder fight but we will see.

[I have no ears]

You are wrong on so many points here that is is hard to keep up. But I will try. Wallin was ranked 83rd when Fury fought him. His ranking went up based on losing to Fury and going 12 rounds in a fight that Wallin should have won, based on cuts. Kabayel was one of the lowest ranked guys in the WBC and that was the real reason Fury was choosing him. To be able to fight someone within the top 15 of the WBC and still keep his belt. Conveniently skipping over the rest of the contenders within the top 15 of the WBC, let alone the world. But I'm sure you;ll give him a pass on that too since you have somehow praised Pianeta on here and also gave Fury a pass for nandrolone. If anyone is obsessed with another fighter, it's you being obsessed with Whyte because you seem to bring him up in every debate for no reason. Ruiz? He is this generation's Buster Douglass. Ortiz? He is another imposter who has yet to have a good win on his record yet everybody wants to say how good he is. Besides Whyte, I would say that AJ is the only one out there who is actively trying to fight the best. Not a fangirl, not in the least. But I can at least appreciate that he is trying to fight the best to actually prove he is the best. And that's what boxing is supposed to be about. Also, Fury has not been "clean" every since getting caught. The main reason why he went the WBC route is because they are very relaxed on PEDs testing and VADA. And you can ask Canelo all about it. I don't hate Fury. Just like I didn't hate Wilder when he was champion. I just see them both very clearly for what they are. Frauds who refuse to fight the rest of the best heavyweights. But they still want to be praised like they have beaten everyone. Again, just saying you can beat someone, doesn't mean that you can beat them. Prove it in the ring. And neither of these two have done that. Wilder being a fraud is now common knowledge. Fury is next to be exposed. And to be honest, he is VERY lucky that the unification fights did not go through because he would have been torn apart by AJ, who has been training this entire time. Fury has been partying and celebrating and not doing the work. This may catch up to him in the Wilder fight but we will see.

So according to u, every hw boxer other than AJ is either a bum or a fraud, yep you're clearly not a fangirl buddy. I like AJ and respect the work he's done but I know he will have real trouble against fury just on the observation test. Im not saying for definite fury would beat him but he's the bookies favourite for that fight for a reason, and that reason is most boxing analysts who aren't fangirls like u can see exactly how fury will be all wrong for AJ. If u think kabayel is awful, then u must think chisora is awful, and if chisora is awful, then Whyte is awful as chisora should have been given the decision in their first fight and was up on the scorecards before Whyte caught him late in the second, and if obviously chisora is awful in your eyes then parker must be too, are u following? I didn't praise pianeta, I just refuse to call any boxer a fraud or a bum as I know what it takes to just get into the ring and the fact he beat duhaupas who gave wilder a very hard fight shows he's not as bad as u think and for a tune up coming off a long lay off including lots of drink, drugs and bad food it's a perfect fight to take. If Joshua did the same in the same condition I would say the same. And fury was partying for 3 straight years and went into the wilder fight very quickly and his natural talent got him through, I believe a half trained fury would beat AJ, that's just how good he is, you've claimed he won't fight this guy or that guy but then next post made out those guys are awful because the ppl he has fought have fought them and either won or came very close to winning so that's where you're argument falls apart, well that, and the fact that everyone is a fraud other than AJ according to u and the other AJ ring lickers. AJ has fought ppl who are mostly out if there prime, pulev, povetkin, takam, Klitschko, who was almost two years on from the fury fight, infact only two guys he has fought in the last four years haven't been way out if their prime and that parker and Ruiz and Ruiz destroyed him and would have in the second if he wasn't grossly overweight, the same kinda overweight fury was when he box wilder's ears off, there's levels to this and fury is top level