Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Risks All-Time Big-Man Title in Deontay Wilder Trilogy

[champion4ever]

maybe a duck…but after the sorry performance against Arreola, dont blame him for not wanting to face Ortiz bc he would not stand a chance. U have gotten me a few times Bro and i own it as well…always good to debate boxing with u.

You are very good sport too Iron. It takes man of very great courage and character to admit when they are wrong and you just so happen to be one of them. It's always nice dialoguing with knowledgeable boxing fans as yourself. So take care as I'm Looking forward to hearing more from you in the future. Stay cool!

[snowdog]

The glove was flopping around because Fury commonly flicks his jabs. He's not the first fighter to do it (Ali used to do the same), he's not the only fighter to do it right now and won't be the last fighter to do it.

And that angle is caused by his wrist, not his fist. Have you ever worn hand wraps and a boxing glove? Everything is packed in there pretty tight, it's impossible for a fighter to move his fist into the wrist area. And if he did then his fingers, again, would be broken if he hit with any sort of force. Unless he had plaster of paris hand wraps.

You REALLY need to rewatch these fights at normal speed rather than dodgy slow motion replays. If you watch ANY fight in slow motion you'll see dodgy punches being landed. It happens. That's boxing.

Wilder just lost to a superior boxer, twice. Just accept the L (even though that should be a plural!) and move on.

Stop looking for conspiracies and face up to facts. There was no glove tampering, the horse hair gloves in the first fight are well known to have the horse hair shifting during a fight. And if you watch both of the fights AT NORMAL SPEED things look fine.

You're all looking for conspiracies where there are NONE to be seen. Any glove tampering or hand wrap tampering would have been discovered during the inspections in the dressing room by both Deas and the Commission guy and the post-fight inspections by the Commission guy in both fights, even if there WAS time to cut the gloves, remove the hair or padding and sew the gloves up again. Which there WASN'T.

Fury won both fights fair and square. Accept it and move on because this sort of obsession isn't healthy. You can see what it's doing to the state of Wilder's mind for gawd's sake. He's completely losing it and is in no mental shape to enter the ring next month. A boxer should NEVER be allowed in the ring when he's **** scared of facing an opponent.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

You are very good sport too Iron. It takes man of very great courage and character to admit when they are wrong and you just so happen to be one of them. It's always nice dialoguing with knowledgeable boxing fans as yourself. So take care as I'm Looking forward to hearing more from you in the future. Stay cool!

Likewise Bro - peace and blessings!

[billeau2]

Thanks for the run down bro, much appreciated. I grew up watching Lennox Lewis and he has always been the standard bearer for me just cos I wasn't around to see the others, I've watched many Ali fights though, and Frazier, foreman and holmes, but never really got to watching much Marciano but I always assumed those fighters wouldn't stand a chance against the fighters of today but if the boxing historians think different then my view is probably wrong

No one really knows but historians generally will come in two categories: Those who think, based on personality and competition that older fighters were superior, and those who believe that genetics, development in all athletic endevours is the same, hence fighters today are better. So camp #1: "Fighters were tough! they fought more rounds, came up hard, had real pride and purpose beyond a dollar!" Camp#2: Fighters are bigger stronger, sports and nutrition training has improved, more people are in boxing now from all over the world so you have more talent."

Both arguments are seriously flawed and tend to emphasize prejudices more than observation skills. If one wants to see how good any fighter is, look at what they can do in the ring. What skills do they have? Then look at the process of training and development. In most epoches of boxing before the 80's there was a whole process of coming up and developing as a fighter, the farther back you go the more exhaustive the process was. Also the people in boxing were top quality, there where not gyms with boxing, there were boxing gyms with boxing trainers, training individuals who had potential.

One reality is that while we have more people in boxing, the quality is extremely diluted. Other sports, including other combatives take some fighters, more opportunities in football, basketball, which were little more than glorified club sports, for most of the history of boxing, take other talented athletes. And then there is the inclusion of amatuer boxing methods and theories, which are the way many, if not most fighters are trained today. Get this... as early as at least the mid 1800's boxing coaches were rallying about how amatuer boxing was destroying boxing with: "weak hitting skills, emphasizing the lead hand and not the power hand which was kept as the inferior hitting hand, little footwork" and an emphasis on scoring blows only to the face, and not thrown with any intent to do damage.

So when we see a guy like marciano its important to realize, whether one thinks he would win, or lose to a modern heavy... some of the things he did. marciano fought out of a crouch, making him very hard to hit. He hit to all parts of the body, so you could block a shot, but your arm would get smacked real hard. Marciano hd incredible endurance... He would never stop attacking. and he punched in a way that while he was not fast, it was tough to pick his punches up... came from all angles, even leaping in.

Keeping in mind that once a man crosses around 170 or so, weight does not affect how hard he punches... one can see that Marciano would be a handful. lewis, a great fighter, and one of my favorites, would have a real time of it if he got off to a slow start against Marciano.

Hope this helps.

[kafkod]

Keeping in mind that once a man crosses around 170 or so, weight does not affect how hard he punches.

Sorry, but the laws of physics, the history of boxing, the personal experience of guys who have actually boxed competitively in the heavier divisions, and the coaches who trained them, all say you are wrong about that. Completely wrong.

[I have no ears]

Actually I meant Louis as one of the two best ever heavyweights. Ring Magazine has Lennox Lewis tied with Evander Holyfield at number 11. We all tend to think that fighters or athletes in our memory are superior to those from the past whom we never saw. The truth is that no one really knows for sure, so we can still have fun discussions about it.

I knew u meant Joe Louis bro, I was just giving u the deets of my introduction to boxing when I mentioned Lennox, and who was on top at the time, but I appreciate your input and thanks for taking the time to get back to me on your views

[champion4ever]

The glove was flopping around because Fury commonly flicks his jabs. He's not the first fighter to do it (Ali used to do the same), he's not the only fighter to do it right now and won't be the last fighter to do it.

And that angle is caused by his wrist, not his fist. Have you ever worn hand wraps and a boxing glove? Everything is packed in there pretty tight, it's impossible for a fighter to move his fist into the wrist area. And if he did then his fingers, again, would be broken if he hit with any sort of force. Unless he had plaster of paris hand wraps.

You REALLY need to rewatch these fights at normal speed rather than dodgy slow motion replays. If you watch ANY fight in slow motion you'll see dodgy punches being landed. It happens. That's boxing.

Wilder just lost to a superior boxer, twice. Just accept the L (even though that should be a plural!) and move on.

Stop looking for conspiracies and face up to facts. There was no glove tampering, the horse hair gloves in the first fight are well known to have the horse hair shifting during a fight. And if you watch both of the fights AT NORMAL SPEED things look fine.

You're all looking for conspiracies where there are NONE to be seen. Any glove tampering or hand wrap tampering would have been discovered during the inspections in the dressing room by both Deas and the Commission guy and the post-fight inspections by the Commission guy in both fights, even if there WAS time to cut the gloves, remove the hair or padding and sew the gloves up again. Which there WASN'T.

Fury won both fights fair and square. Accept it and move on because this sort of obsession isn't healthy. You can see what it's doing to the state of Wilder's mind for gawd's sake. He's completely losing it and is in no mental shape to enter the ring next month. A boxer should NEVER be allowed in the ring when he's **** scared of facing an opponent.

Wait! Let me break it down fellas! Let me break it down. Obviously this cat still doesn't get it. Here's more evidence of Fury's subterfuge and deception with his left glove. Noticed how his fist is balled up in the left glove of the non padded wrist area as he attempts to punch Deontay Wilder with it. This is a closer inspection of it.

[I have no ears]

You make my points look ******, yet in the very next sentence, you validate my points haha. OK. You are cancelled. And yes, Pianeta is and was a bum. So is Wallin, Seferi and Schwarz for that matter. And Canelo is a cheat too by the way. Wilder can beat up on bums his entire career but is/when he ever steps up, he will get further embarrassed and be out of his depth. Fury too. Which is why neither of them have fought the best opponents. If you can grasp this, then get it

So the only guy who isn't a "bum" to u is Joshua? As u seem to think Tyson is a bum, just cos he will or has already been exposed, think McDermott 1, or when he was floored by neven pajkic and Cunningham, and wilder isn't thought of too highly in your mind either. So if Tyson is s**t, who is good to u? Or who could he have fought to make him more legit to u? Ruiz? Ortiz? Fury and wilder are consensus two of the top 3 for a reason, do they need to fight Whyte to u? How can every hw boxer to u be a bum? I guarantee u, u wouldn't last 10 seconds in the ring with anyone in the top 100 so does that make u a super bum? And yes I did make you're points look ****** because I wasn't saying Tyson hadn't ever got exposed, I was saying a 6'9 guy who moves like a middleweight is a sight to behold and that's what other boxing observers think, yet u seem to think his footwork is awful, hence you're point is ******, as he's clearly one of, if not the best out there for on footwork and head movement for a hw today even though he's the biggest hw, again you points are ****** friend.

[I have no ears]

There's no way in a million years a midget like Marciano would beat Tyson Fury lol.

These old fools love to reminisce about the good old days, hence the name "Old Terry"

The world has moved on, Marciano would get schooled.

It's all hypothetical bro, I'm still not sure on Marciano or Louis giving Tyson a run for his money but a lot of guys feel they would so I respect there opinion but I feel strongly that prime foreman definitely would have

[champion4ever]

The glove was flopping around because Fury commonly flicks his jabs. He's not the first fighter to do it (Ali used to do the same), he's not the only fighter to do it right now and won't be the last fighter to do it.

And that angle is caused by his wrist, not his fist. Have you ever worn hand wraps and a boxing glove? Everything is packed in there pretty tight, it's impossible for a fighter to move his fist into the wrist area. And if he did then his fingers, again, would be broken if he hit with any sort of force. Unless he had plaster of paris hand wraps.

You REALLY need to rewatch these fights at normal speed rather than dodgy slow motion replays. If you watch ANY fight in slow motion you'll see dodgy punches being landed. It happens. That's boxing.

Wilder just lost to a superior boxer, twice. Just accept the L (even though that should be a plural!) and move on.

Stop looking for conspiracies and face up to facts. There was no glove tampering, the horse hair gloves in the first fight are well known to have the horse hair shifting during a fight. And if you watch both of the fights AT NORMAL SPEED things look fine.

You're all looking for conspiracies where there are NONE to be seen. Any glove tampering or hand wrap tampering would have been discovered during the inspections in the dressing room by both Deas and the Commission guy and the post-fight inspections by the Commission guy in both fights, even if there WAS time to cut the gloves, remove the hair or padding and sew the gloves up again. Which there WASN'T.

Fury won both fights fair and square. Accept it and move on because this sort of obsession isn't healthy. You can see what it's doing to the state of Wilder's mind for gawd's sake. He's completely losing it and is in no mental shape to enter the ring next month. A boxer should NEVER be allowed in the ring when he's **** scared of facing an opponent.

You see. I just proven that your hero is no hero at all. He's a bum. He had to cheat in order to defeat Deontay Wilder in both fights. What a low-life disgusting piece of vermin he is. I respected him once but not anymore. On July 24th Deontay Wilder is going to knock him the fuck out in under three rounds for doing that foul and dirty shit!