Gennady Golovkin-the last great champion

[kafkod]

Huh? What? No. I always said the Brook fight was nonsense, .

Brook was a big, undefeated world WW champ at the peak of his powers. Some of the most historic fights in the MW division have been between MW champs and WW champs moving up to challenge them, eg Hagler vs Leanard and Duran.

[kafkod]

Huge GGG fan but stylistically I still lean towards Ward... however I certainly think GGG would have had a shot (I reckon it something like a kinda 65/35, 60/40 kinda fight) and absolutely in no way do I think it would have been the Ward masterclass some of these guys seem to imagine. As you say the Kovalev fight should have put to bed the idea that Andre was some kinda unbeatable boxing god. And yes, Golovkin is and was a considerably better technician than Kovalev, although Kovalevs rangy dynamism was probably a more awkward stylistic match-up far Andre.

Worth mentioning that, for fair-minded people who actually watched the fights, every one of Ward's notable wins except Froch has an asterix against it.

[just the facts]

you pathetic fools keep hanging on this--ward retired moron and they don't fight in the same division

Anyone from 154-168 and fa ck you.

[just the facts]

Worth mentioning that, for fair-minded people who actually watched the fights, every one of Ward's notable wins except Froch has an asterix against it.

Do you post for shock value or do you really believe this bu!!shyte?

[just the facts]

Again, that's not true. "50/50 money and weight would be fair" was a comment made by GGG in an interview with Max Kellerman. It was never demanded or insisted on during negotiations.

In fact, Tom Loeffler's response to the email offer to fight Ward at 168 was that GGG was focused on the WBC 160lb title, but would consider fighting Ward at 168 the following year (2017).

Btw, I'm wondering what you made of Ward calling out Mayweather at 160, but insisting that GGG had to move all the way up to 168 for him?

Better do some homework. Both Leffler and Sanchez insisted on 164.

[Citizen Koba]

Brook was a big, undefeated world WW champ at the peak of his powers. Some of the most historic fights in the MW division have been between MW champs and WW champs moving up to challenge them, eg Hagler vs Leanard and Duran.

Did you think Brook had a realistic chance? He was a a superb WW but I never saw any possibility of him beating Golovkin. I remember watching it in a pub in Chorlton, got chatting with the manager on the bar who thought Brook might be able to do it. Told him he might have a little success early doors but that he'd get broken down by the 7th.. To be fair though I don't think Eubank Jr would have had any better of a shot.

[kafkod]

Better do some homework. Both Leffler and Sanchez insisted on 164.

Ward called out Mayweather to fight at 160, but wouldn't go to 164 for GGG?

[SplitSecond]

The guy in my avatar needs more recognition. He just dominated the boxing worlds hypeman Estrada.

[kafkod]

Did you think Brook had a realistic chance? He was a a superb WW but I never saw any possibility of him beating Golovkin. I remember watching it in a pub in Chorlton, got chatting with the manager on the bar who thought Brook might be able to do it. Told him he might have a little success early doors but that he'd get broken down by the 7th.. To be fair though I don't think Eubank Jr would have had any better of a shot.

I thought Brook had as good a chance as Eubank Jr or any other MW at that time. But what matters is that he thought he had a chance and had been badgering Eddie Hearn to get him the fight.The people who threw their hands up in horror at the mere thought of "dragging a welterweight up" to fight a dominant MW champion had no idea what they were talking about and zero knowledge of boxing history.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Urine and feces boy, when a ggg/Ward fight was a real possibility (not when Ward was injured, not when Ward was having legal problems), team ggg insisted that the fight could only happen at 164. They knew Ward would be hard pressed to make 168 and 164 would be out of the question. This was after approving 168 for both Froch and Chavez Jr. They could act like they were interested in fighting Ward but wouldn't actually have to fight him. After the fight fell apart, Ward moved up a weight class to fight the perceived killer and #1 lt heavy Kovalev and ggg drug the #3 or #4 welterweight up not one but two weight classes up for a fight. So who was looking for tough fights and who wasnt?

What they said: anyone from 154-168 can get it
What they meant: anyone from 154-168 can get it, as long as HBO approves, as long as we get the lions share of the money and as long as your name isn't Andre Ward or Erislandy Lara.

Let's add the context to what you're saying.

When Andre Ward was having legal issues/was injured in 2013 HBO wanted Andre Ward to fight GGG and GGG said Andre Ward didn't want it citing his elbow or something. This is a claim that Andre Ward does not dispute. This was in 2013.

Fast forward to 2015 and GGG is the unified 160lb champion about to fight for his 3rd belt at the weight when Andre Ward sends GGG a email contract which REQUIRES ANDRE WARD TWO TUNE UPS before they would fight in 2016.

They said anyone from 154-168 in 2012 to get GGG big name fights because no one would fight in INCLUDING ANDRE WARD.

But no no no.

GGG was supposed to go up to 168lbs to fight B-side Andre Ward in his first fight at that weight and miss out on the Cotto/Canelo pay days right?

So tell why why GGG would acclimate to 168lbs when literally no one was good at that weight either and skip out those pay days at 160 and have to kill himself to make the weight again?

Please do tell. What's ironic is how a guy like you will brag about how much money someone like Mayweather made and talk about how no, despite being at 155 for years Canelo legit ducked GGG. GGG isn't allowed to make money eh? But GGG ducked a guy at 168 a weight class above him when Andre Ward couldn't even make weight right?

Best most ironic part is you list Lara as some killer GGG avoided yet Lara is much more like that pretend version of GGG than GGG actually is himself!

Whos Lara?

A career 154lber who doesn't have any signature wins and despite have fought as a middle weight in his career never moved up until JUST NOW to cherry pick a title against a legit no one.

You mean that Lara?

Also, don't pretend like GGG dragged Brook to 160. GGG was set to fight Eubanks Jr when Eubanks Sr caused the fight to fall apart. Another legit duck but noooooooo of course your don't see it that way. Looking for an opponent it was Kell Brook himself who wanted the fight. Kell Brook was a replacement offered by Eddie Hearn.

Now quit lying.

But no no no.

Mayweather legit dragged up Marquez from. 135 and he didn't even make the weight. That's acceptable.

Canelo literally dragged Khan up from welterweight and weight bullied the **** out of him. That's okay too.

GGG gets ducked by Eubanks Jr and Kell brooks is offered as a replacement. No no no. GGG just likes to fight smaller guys.

That's you.