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Didn't Roberto Duran notoriously have only a few amateur fights before turning pro? Some people are just naturals at it
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Personally i beleive Floyd did not take this seriously, and Paul did.
That plus 20 years age difference and 20lbs weight difference made it look closer that it should of.
Floyd wants easy money, always has done.Comment
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Ya and it only takes one fight to destroy your lively hood. For any one whose been in a real fight street or professional.Comment
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Its obvious that some of these posters haven't been punched in the face alot or punched anybody else. Experience is a fairly big deal but as you said a few years experience/training and a MASSIVE size advantage along with age and other varying factors make a difference in a boxing ring. There is a reason for weight classes.Comment
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Great thread Earl... really!
I studied martial arts for over 40 years now... And in that time every appproach has had its aura of invincability. When I was coming up Karate in Baltimore was a mean affair. If you came at one of us we could break your arm, ribs and skull in seconds. You would see Richard Chun in NYC clowning it up with construction guys, showing how many shots he could throw to their one punch approach... everyone loved it... In college while teaching a premier fighting club, the biggest toughest jocks would instantly became puppies when I entered the room. I say that sincerely... Proudly I can also say I never took advantage of that. But I would be lying if I said it wasn't a nice thing for a 180 pound college kid who used it to help people and to tame the bully.
But the astute individual would have noticed a few things: I believe the year was around 1960 (before my time) Jerome Mckay Judo champion, Karate high ranking sensei... Not a giant of a man, but average size, is out with his girl on Broadway in NYC McKay's famous slogan "Nobody Bother Me" had earned him a following... multiple studios, credability... Three hoods approach McKay and wind up beating him to within an inch of his life. Concurrent with my time, a new style is starting to become the new "invincible" as Gracie Brothers come to the United States and pretty much street corner their way into a following.
What did the Gracies have? Its not what most people think... Brazil was and is, a hotbed of combatives... The Japanese loved the Portuguese and set up shop in Brazil... which already had a vibrant tradition of Catch Wrestling, Capoera street thugs, and native styles of MMA like sports (Vale Tudo, etc). Ju Jitsu fit into the landscape and by the time the Gracies came to America they were battle tested... used to dojo storming, putting up with challenge matches, etc. The UFC may have been a turning point here: But its good to note that The Dog Brothers, a group of dedicated martial artists, wrote the gracies and asked to be part of UFC history doing full contact stick fights... something they have managed to do with few major injuries and with great learning objectives... they were turned down as too extreme. There are always levels to this thing! The deadliest? its all smoke and mirrors isn't it?
When I matured as an adult I looked back on my training and realized by today's standards it would be called "abuse." We fought and beat the snot out of each other... intitiation was a free for all on a second story gym and whomever could kick the new guy out the window got instant cred. Before I was even allowed to start learning my sensei had me come back every day for a week and would procede to beat the living s h i t out of me, then very politely encourage me to come back... I didn't understand it until when he taught me my first technique, It was like a cracker to a starving man... I could use it! Because I was used to violence... and when I learned two techniques?!!! I was used to the mantle of invincability. So I recognize it now.
through the years I have seen and been part of projects that discourage any false claims regarding martial arts. I have seen fiery preachers of live training declare such and then watched the pittance that they considered "live" resistance. I have seen great martial artists talked to like children, and all kinds of silly attitudes about combat and violence perpetrated... Which brings me to this point and why I like this thread so much:
Boxers are not invincible any more than MMA fighters, the Gracies, or I was (I am older now and use weapons a lot more lol). At my best (I also have studied Ju jutsu), if I was not careful I could have been grabbed, perhaps when I was a bouncer, by a hockey player, a wrestler, and been at their mercy. And I saw plenty of boxers and wrestlers beat up badly as a bouncer. I saw a pipsqueak get into it with two giant bouncers... they hit the ground fast. how? Well bouncer #1 throws punch at pipsqueak, pipsqueak ducks in abject terror, punch lands on parking meter... #1 goes down with a broken hand...Bouncer #2 enraged dives towards terror stricken pipsqueak who dodges.... Bouncer #2 falls over bouncer #1 hits head on pavement goes to sleep. These two bouncers failed to take into consideration their limits: When I saw a grappler I knew I was limited if I was grabbed and acted accordingly, these two did not! which translates as: We are only as invincible as we are aware of the limits of what we do...of how we know our own limits.
its amazing to see women who are gorgeous and that could KO a man... But when I hear "a professional boxing women @130 can take any street fighter, man of any weight, etc... I have to laugh. I was told on another forum that a figher like Joe Calzighe for example, could easily take out six men in a fracas. People always are looking to make some style, some fighter... invincible and this invincibiity just does not exist! Let a boxer, in a street fight punch you in the jaw its one thing, let him punch you in the forhead its quite another... Ever seen a hand broken after hitting someone in the dome? Bounce about 15 years and I guarantee youwill see it a lot. Or ask Mike Tyson how his hands felt after dropping Mitch Green... or did he drop Green? The baddest man in the planet walked away giving his opponent in the street a black eye, and suffered a bad hand injury. Punching with gloves is not the same as punching with the hand ungloved! It matters! just as trying to get position first in a street fight (Gracie) can be deadly.
At the end of the day, boxers, wrestlers, martial artists... nobody will ever be invincible. Floyd may have been a great fighter but on the street, against someone with strength, youth, and pluck... He is vulnerable. Many people ask about how he would do in a street fight... Badly. He can't punch technically in a manner where his hand is not injured for one thing... and people will grab him quickly if they know he will want to punch them. NO ONE is invincible.Comment
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Logan paul is a former wrestler from the greatest place to train wreslting in america. Dude is built, tough and he proved he was an athlete as a wrestler(grueling exercise). He isnt some skinny youtube kidComment
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Watching him try to punch hard while floyd was covering.... someone has a GIF of it here... its obvious he really does not know how to punch hard. People may not realize this is at least one reason Floyd could just turtle up and walk away as Paul arm punched into oblivion.Comment
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