Comments Thread For: Frank Warren: After Fury Wipes The Floor With Wilder, He Wants Joshua in December

[Monty Fisto]

Hearn wasn’t privy to the details of the arbitration, so it’s difficult to say he misjudged things. He can only go by what he’s told by arum and the rest. Based on this information, you could say he probably should’ve kept his mouth shut until things were sorted however the media/fan pressure was relentless. After what’s happened, you still have people saying aj is ducking fury, imagine what they would’ve said if he’d been silent throughout the whole thing?

I can see why you’re saying he’s wrong for coming to the media and saying the fight is done and will he announced next week but I have no doubt in my mind he genuinely thought it was done. He did everything on his end, came through with all his promises and showed the required proof of funds. I think fury should hold more blame for coming out and saying the fight is done despite the arbitration not being done yet, he would’ve had more knowledge on the situation than Hearn.

Yep.

After AJ fought Pulev and didn't mention Fury, everyone was saying he was terrified to even say his name and should have called him out. Then, after Arum assures them the mediation was a non-issue, they aggressively pursued the undisputed fight. Now, apparently, they should have stayed quiet.

It's unfortunate that it played out the way it did, but really most of the blame has to lie with Arum who was (a) privy to the full details of the contract terms and mediation (b) a lawyer and (c) loudly saying the mediation was no problem whatsoever.

At any point when Hearn was saying we're close, Arum (or Warren) could have said 'Of course, we have to wait for the mediation and it might still be a problem.' They never once said this. They doubted the money was there. They said they needed a binding contract. They doubted the dates worked with the Olympics. They wanted to fight sooner rather than later.

[Oldskoolg]

how is Hearn the problem in a situation which has absolutely nothing to do with him? You think that he has single handedly changed the face of contact negotiations in boxing?

The world doesn’t revolve around Eddie Hearn. a lot of people on these forums seem to think it does.

But the reason I’m posting is to say that boxing is a god damn mess right now. It’s depressing and I honestly think I’m losing interest.

Never been a fan of MMA but at least they actually put the fights on that people want to see.

For the sweet carolines the boxing world does revolve around him. He has qsmqssed himself what really appears to be a cult of ignorant Johnny come lately hooligans who remind me of the Jonestown culltists drinking the koolaid. Eddie Hearn looks like the biggest fool on earth trying to make a fight for five months just because he says arum told him the arbitration “wasn’t going to be a problem.” How ****** can one be? YOU CANT BREAK A CONTRACT JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO HONOUR IT ANY LONGER as fury tried to. Arum and Warren led Hearn on a string making him do 5 months of work, spending money, soiling his reputation with the royal house of Saud, making him tell blatant lies on camera, and all along anyone who had a modicum of understanding of the legal system knew the contract was legally binding. Yeah there are folks who think that the boxing world should revolve around Hearn, this forum is full of these sweet carolines....the same people who faithfully watch every interview this clown does on ifl tv....”time to put the kettle on”, “time to put away the missus”....

[Zelda]

Where what went wrong? Name the thing that "went wrong" as a result of interviews on YouTube. The fight didn't happen for just one reason - Fury was contractually obligated to fight Wilder.

Just do everyone a favour and say "I don't like Eddie Hearn".

Fewer words and at least you can't be made to look ******.

Relax!

I am into boxing, particularly HW boxing, not promoters. We just talk about what happened because they are the source of information. I may or may not like a fighter but the promoters are irrelevant to me to like or dislike them.

It is a simple case where a fight had a certain condition and they did not win the judgement. When I say "wrong", I mean wrong in pre-maturely creating hype for a half-cooked fight that was conditioned to an arbitration decision. They (particularly, Eddie) raised our hopes for the fight, and most are disappointed because it is not happening. Should have waited for a decision before announcing the fight. What do I think about the others? I have said elsewhere in the forum that I feel Bob (and ESPN) may also dislike a Saudi fight. They potentially make more money in the US. Warren I believe was more of an on-looker with possibly the responsibility of ironing out Fury's British broadcasters. I have also written what they should have done and you'll see that if you stop selective quoting to take things out of context.

[Tonyu]

how is Hearn the problem in a situation which has absolutely nothing to do with him? You think that he has single handedly changed the face of contact negotiations in boxing?

The world doesn’t revolve around Eddie Hearn. a lot of people on these forums seem to think it does.

But the reason I’m posting is to say that boxing is a god damn mess right now. It’s depressing and I honestly think I’m losing interest.

Never been a fan of MMA but at least they actually put the fights on that people want to see.

If you actually read what I wrote I said his a big believer in rematch clauses he does this with every Joshua fight including Whyte v Povetkin. Wilder said he would challenge this and did and won so his run around doing all the dog work for it to blow up in his face. Rematch clauses need to stop, is he doing this against Ussyk in case Joshua loses probably so don't be surprised if there's no Fury fight this year. Stop getting all offended about Hearn he should of never got involved with Fury until he got the Wilder fight out of the way.

[Jack Rivers]

Another wasted year and another wasted fight to undisputed.

[Redgloveman]

For the sweet carolines the boxing world does revolve around him. He has qsmqssed himself what really appears to be a cult of ignorant Johnny come lately hooligans who remind me of the Jonestown culltists drinking the koolaid. Eddie Hearn looks like the biggest fool on earth trying to make a fight for five months just because he says arum told him the arbitration “wasn’t going to be a problem.” How ****** can one be? YOU CANT BREAK A CONTRACT JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO HONOUR IT ANY LONGER as fury tried to. Arum and Warren led Hearn on a string making him do 5 months of work, spending money, soiling his reputation with the royal house of Saud, making him tell blatant lies on camera, and all along anyone who had a modicum of understanding of the legal system knew the contract was legally binding. Yeah there are folks who think that the boxing world should revolve around Hearn, this forum is full of these sweet carolines....the same people who faithfully watch every interview this clown does on ifl tv....”time to put the kettle on”, “time to put away the missus”....

Actually what I had in mind were the people who hate him with every sinew of their being and make every issue about Hearn and why he’s a fool, why he’s a liar, why he’s made an idiot out of hims... blah blah blah

They are FAR more obsessed with Hearn than the Robbie Barretts and Sid-knees who support him.

personally I don’t like Hearn. He’s so damn full of himself and he seems slippery and untrustworthy to me. But I don’t spend time and energy getting mad at him.

the post I originally responded to stated this whole situation with Fury and Wilder was Hearn’s fault. Even though he had no part whatsoever in the Fury Wilder deal. Because Hearn himself has used rematch clauses. It’s like Hearn screwed his wife or something, how obsessed can you be? Honestly it’s boring af

you yourself couldn’t resist the urge to say “Eddie Hearn looks like the biggest fool on earth... blah blah blah”. Dude, you don’t need to twist every situation to be about Eddie Hearn. Relax.

maybe people are just choosing to direct their frustrations with boxing generally at Hearn or whatever. Personally I feel kind of done with the sport. It’s a mess run by a bunch of incredibly shady individuals. It’s also facing a serious crisis in that Jake Paul can make more money fighting nobodies than top level fighters (who, let’s be honest, are also fighting nobodies 99 times out of 100). I really can’t see the situation improving anytime soon.

[Robbie Barrett]

Yep.

After AJ fought Pulev and didn't mention Fury, everyone was saying he was terrified to even say his name and should have called him out. Then, after Arum assures them the mediation was a non-issue, they aggressively pursued the undisputed fight. Now, apparently, they should have stayed quiet.

It's unfortunate that it played out the way it did, but really most of the blame has to lie with Arum who was (a) privy to the full details of the contract terms and mediation (b) a lawyer and (c) loudly saying the mediation was no problem whatsoever.

At any point when Hearn was saying we're close, Arum (or Warren) could have said 'Of course, we have to wait for the mediation and it might still be a problem.' They never once said this. They doubted the money was there. They said they needed a binding contract. They doubted the dates worked with the Olympics. They wanted to fight sooner rather than later.

Imagine if Hearn didn't pursue the fight? They'd all be saying Joshua was scared to fight him because they didn't try to make the fight. Can't win with some people.

[Robbie Barrett]

If you actually read what I wrote I said his a big believer in rematch clauses he does this with every Joshua fight including Whyte v Povetkin. Wilder said he would challenge this and did and won so his run around doing all the dog work for it to blow up in his face. Rematch clauses need to stop, is he doing this against Ussyk in case Joshua loses probably so don't be surprised if there's no Fury fight this year. Stop getting all offended about Hearn he should of never got involved with Fury until he got the Wilder fight out of the way.

All big name fighters have rematch clauses. It's been this way for decades. It's a safety net because anything can happen in a fight. Do you think Joshua would have got a Ruiz rematch if not for the clause? The rematch clause for Usyk will be one way, only if Joshua loses. The challenger doesn't have to accept it they can go to purse bid instead. They usually do to get the bigger split though.

[Buggy bear]

Poor old frank begging for scraps in fury’s slipstream..

[Toffee]

All big name fighters have rematch clauses. It's been this way for decades. It's a safety net because anything can happen in a fight. Do you think Joshua would have got a Ruiz rematch if not for the clause? The rematch clause for Usyk will be one way, only if Joshua loses. The challenger doesn't have to accept it they can go to purse bid instead. They usually do to get the bigger split though.

Ruiz was a voluntary so would never have got the fight without a rematch clause.

For what it's worth I'd like to see an end to rematch clauses in ordered fights. But it will take the challenger to enforce it - ultimately it's the challenger who is selling the rematch clause, not the champion.