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  • #11
    Originally posted by Tonyu View Post
    Like I've said before Hearn is his own worse enemy. The rematch clauses are common today as his a big believer in them, everytime he puts this in Joshua's contract and probably will in the Ussyk fight so theirs no guarantee on fighting Fury in December. Hearn should never of touched this fight as Wilder said he will challenge it and did. Tyson should never of signed the contract if he wasn't going to honour it. Like I say the promoters have created this mess the only way to stop it the WBA, WBC, Ibf and WBO need to bring in a law if you lose a world title fight you need to win 2 more fights before getting a crack at another title shot otherwise this will keep happening.
    how is Hearn the problem in a situation which has absolutely nothing to do with him? You think that he has single handedly changed the face of contact negotiations in boxing?

    The world doesn’t revolve around Eddie Hearn. a lot of people on these forums seem to think it does.

    But the reason I’m posting is to say that boxing is a god damn mess right now. It’s depressing and I honestly think I’m losing interest.

    Never been a fan of MMA but at least they actually put the fights on that people want to see.
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    • #12
      What just like Wilder had no legal grounds for a rematch and Fury was gonna smash AJ next.

      Starting to hope Wilder smashes the **** back to the loony bin.

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      • #13
        ""The arbitration decision to force Fury into a third fight with Wilder was disappointing. But it was clear in the contracts signed by all parties involved in the fight that it was happening and we were awaiting the outcome of it. So nobody has been left in the dark over it. Everyone knew what was happening."

        This doesn't make any sense.

        The decision wasn't clear. Or at least, I hope it wasn't because if it was Warren should not have allowed the Fury AJ deal to go as far as it did.

        The fact that an appeal to arbitration was clear certainly. A no-lose move by Wilder even if there were no credible grounds.

        "...we were awaiting the outcome of it." That is highly misleading. He was on Fury's team and went along with ignoring the possibility of losing the arbitration, presumably because he (like Arum) thought if was very unlikely to succeed. But if he (and/or Arum) thought there was likelihood of success they shouldn't have proceeded the way they did with AJ/Hearn. At the very least that is negotiating in bad faith when you have access to information that can scupper the deal you are committing too.

        "Everyone knew what was happening." Again highly misleading. The Fury team (Arum AND Warren) had sight of the contract between Wilder and Fury) and they were party to all of the arbitration proceedings. So they were in a position to take an informed view. Hearn had access to neither of these. All he had to inform him was what the Fury team told him about the arbitration. And as they continued to negotiate the AJ/Fury deal he obviously took his lead from them in this.

        Basically it seems that Arum and Warren acted in bad faith. And this makes sense of what was otherwise puzzling behavior. Why were they constantly talking down the possibility of Hearn getting the deal done? Now it makes sense. They were hoping that they could delay signing the deal until they got the result of the arbitration. That way Hearn does all the work and once the arbitration rules in their favor they just sign. But they obviously had concerns about the arbitration which is why they didn't get the deal done more quickly, constantly dragging their feet, saying it wouldn't happen, that Hearn couldn't deliver etc etc. They weren't straight with him about the risk.

        They misled Hearn so no wonder he's pissed. And now Warren is trying to make out that everyone knew all along that this could well happen. But that is obvious BS because if Hearn had known that, if they had been straight with him, he would never have moved heaven and earth to get the deal done.

        Bad faith and now they are covering up. Dirty business.
        Last edited by petegrif; 05-29-2021, 06:09 AM.
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        • #14
          Originally posted by petegrif View Post
          ""The arbitration decision to force Fury into a third fight with Wilder was disappointing. But it was clear in the contracts signed by all parties involved in the fight that it was happening and we were awaiting the outcome of it. So nobody has been left in the dark over it. Everyone knew what was happening."

          This doesn't make any sense.

          The decision wasn't clear. Or at least, I hope it wasn't because if it was Warren should not have allowed the Fury AJ deal to go as far as it did.

          The fact that an appeal to arbitration was clear certainly. A no-lose move by Wilder even if there were no credible grounds.

          "...we were awaiting the outcome of it." That is highly misleading. He was on Fury's team and went along with ignoring the possibility of losing the arbitration, presumably because he (like Arum) thought if was very unlikely to succeed. But if he (and/or Arum) thought there was likelihood of success they shouldn't have proceeded the way they did with AJ/Hearn. At the very least that is negotiating in bad faith when you have access to information that can scupper the deal you are committing too.

          "Everyone knew what was happening." Again highly misleading. The Fury team (Arum AND Warren) had sight of the contract between Wilder and Fury) and they were party to all of the arbitration proceedings. So they were in a position to take an informed view. Hearn had access to neither of these. All he had to inform him was what the Fury team told him about the arbitration. And as they continued to negotiate the AJ/Fury deal he obviously took his lead from them in this.

          Basically it seems that Arum and Warren acted in bad faith. And this makes sense of what was otherwise puzzling behavior. Why were they constantly talking down the possibility of Hearn getting the deal done? Now it makes sense. They were hoping that they could delay signing the deal until they got the result of the arbitration. That way Hearn does all the work and once the arbitration rules in their favor they just sign. But they obviously had concerns about the arbitration which is why they didn't get the deal done more quickly, constantly dragging their feet, saying it wouldn't happen, that Hearn couldn't deliver etc etc. They weren't straight with him about the risk.

          They misled Hearn so no wonder he's pissed. And now Warren is trying to make out that everyone knew all along that this could well happen. But that is obvious BS because if Hearn had known that, if they had been straight with him, he would never have moved heaven and earth to get the deal done.

          Bad faith and now they are covering up. Dirty business.
          This is painfully obvious to anybody without an agenda.


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          • #15
            Fury should beat Wilder again but it might take a but longer if Deontay wants to survive the distance.

            To try to outbox Fury would be foolish, so his best bet would be to swing that right hand wildly again and hope a few big ones catch Fury. Wilder has no other way to win.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by petegrif View Post

              They misled Hearn so no wonder he's pissed. And now Warren is trying to make out that everyone knew all along that this could well happen. But that is obvious BS because if Hearn had known that, if they had been straight with him, he would never have moved heaven and earth to get the deal done.

              Bad faith and now they are covering up. Dirty business.
              I don't think they misled Hearn as much as he wants everyone to believe.

              It was clear that the fight was subject to the arbitration and it was put in the fight agreement. What is unclear about it? Bob had a strong hope it won't be a problem because he did not expect such a decision. So, at best all anyone can claim was that Bob misjudged how strong their case was. But, then so does Eddie Hearn also say that the decision is weird and the judge ordered the rematch which he too wasn't expecting. So, Bob's misjudgement was the same a.s Eddie's.

              Where things went wrong is coming to the media and announcing that the fight is a done deal and it will be announced next week and next week. What they should have done is to sort out everything else behind closed doors and wait for the arbitration announcement. if it came in their favor, they should have announced the fight. Else, they can say that things are sorted out but we both need to take care of business first and the fight will happen in Dec./Jan. End of story. The problem is that they prematurely hyped up the half-cooked fight.

              Anyway, I think this is the past. While we did not get the fight we all wanted, but there are still two potentially good fights coming up. Wilder's re-claim to glory or definite closure of his case against Fury. Similarly, is Usyk worth the hype in the HW division?

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              • #17
                people are really acting like we didn’t hear team fury day for months the arbitration wouldn’t be a problem.

                Hearn had no choice but to negotiate the fight, AJ is his boss and this was the only fight he wanted. If it’s true that the arbitration could’ve been squashed in December, I wouldn’t be surprised if Tyson takes his team to court if he loses to wilder because they did not act in his best interests throughout this whole debacle.


                Originally posted by KP1 View Post

                This is painfully obvious to anybody without an agenda.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by petegrif View Post
                  ""The arbitration decision to force Fury into a third fight with Wilder was disappointing. But it was clear in the contracts signed by all parties involved in the fight that it was happening and we were awaiting the outcome of it. So nobody has been left in the dark over it. Everyone knew what was happening."

                  This doesn't make any sense.

                  The decision wasn't clear. Or at least, I hope it wasn't because if it was Warren should not have allowed the Fury AJ deal to go as far as it did.

                  The fact that an appeal to arbitration was clear certainly. A no-lose move by Wilder even if there were no credible grounds.

                  "...we were awaiting the outcome of it." That is highly misleading. He was on Fury's team and went along with ignoring the possibility of losing the arbitration, presumably because he (like Arum) thought if was very unlikely to succeed. But if he (and/or Arum) thought there was likelihood of success they shouldn't have proceeded the way they did with AJ/Hearn. At the very least that is negotiating in bad faith when you have access to information that can scupper the deal you are committing too.

                  "Everyone knew what was happening." Again highly misleading. The Fury team (Arum AND Warren) had sight of the contract between Wilder and Fury) and they were party to all of the arbitration proceedings. So they were in a position to take an informed view. Hearn had access to neither of these. All he had to inform him was what the Fury team told him about the arbitration. And as they continued to negotiate the AJ/Fury deal he obviously took his lead from them in this.

                  Basically it seems that Arum and Warren acted in bad faith. And this makes sense of what was otherwise puzzling behavior. Why were they constantly talking down the possibility of Hearn getting the deal done? Now it makes sense. They were hoping that they could delay signing the deal until they got the result of the arbitration. That way Hearn does all the work and once the arbitration rules in their favor they just sign. But they obviously had concerns about the arbitration which is why they didn't get the deal done more quickly, constantly dragging their feet, saying it wouldn't happen, that Hearn couldn't deliver etc etc. They weren't straight with him about the risk.

                  They misled Hearn so no wonder he's pissed. And now Warren is trying to make out that everyone knew all along that this could well happen. But that is obvious BS because if Hearn had known that, if they had been straight with him, he would never have moved heaven and earth to get the deal done.

                  Bad faith and now they are covering up. Dirty business.
                  I'm speaking on everyone's behalf, we're letting Eddie off the hook. We're gonna have a meeting and we won't picking on Eddie anymore. Ok? He should confirm he doesn't want the unification tho

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                  • #19
                    Hearn wasn’t privy to the details of the arbitration, so it’s difficult to say he misjudged things. He can only go by what he’s told by arum and the rest. Based on this information, you could say he probably should’ve kept his mouth shut until things were sorted however the media/fan pressure was relentless. After what’s happened, you still have people saying aj is ducking fury, imagine what they would’ve said if he’d been silent throughout the whole thing?

                    I can see why you’re saying he’s wrong for coming to the media and saying the fight is done and will he announced next week but I have no doubt in my mind he genuinely thought it was done. He did everything on his end, came through with all his promises and showed the required proof of funds. I think fury should hold more blame for coming out and saying the fight is done despite the arbitration not being done yet, he would’ve had more knowledge on the situation than Hearn.

                    Originally posted by Zelda View Post

                    I don't think they misled Hearn as much as he wants everyone to believe.

                    It was clear that the fight was subject to the arbitration and it was put in the fight agreement. What is unclear about it? Bob had a strong hope it won't be a problem because he did not expect such a decision. So, at best all anyone can claim was that Bob misjudged how strong their case was. But, then so does Eddie Hearn also say that the decision is weird and the judge ordered the rematch which he too wasn't expecting. So, Bob's misjudgement was the same a.s Eddie's.

                    Where things went wrong is coming to the media and announcing that the fight is a done deal and it will be announced next week and next week. What they should have done is to sort out everything else behind closed doors and wait for the arbitration announcement. if it came in their favor, they should have announced the fight. Else, they can say that things are sorted out but we both need to take care of business first and the fight will happen in Dec./Jan. End of story. The problem is that they prematurely hyped up the half-cooked fight.

                    Anyway, I think this is the past. While we did not get the fight we all wanted, but there are still two potentially good fights coming up. Wilder's re-claim to glory or definite closure of his case against Fury. Similarly, is Usyk worth the hype in the HW division?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Zelda View Post
                      Where things went wrong is coming to the media and announcing that the fight is a done deal and it will be announced next week and next week.
                      Where what went wrong? Name the thing that "went wrong" as a result of interviews on YouTube. The fight didn't happen for just one reason - Fury was contractually obligated to fight Wilder.

                      Just do everyone a favour and say "I don't like Eddie Hearn".

                      Fewer words and at least you can't be made to look stupid.

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