Why did everyone ignore/downplay arbitration?

[Motorcity Cobra]

What's not how things work? Lawyers can look at contracts and see if there's a case. Arum flat out lied to everyone. Saying Joshua was keeping Fury out of the ring and he wanted to fight. Giving deadlines because Fury wants to fight. When the whole damn time he couldn't sign. Arum hasn't only messed about Hearn but the TV networks, Saudi's and all the fans. A level of unprofessionalism you wouldn't expect to see from any promoter.

Again if Hearns lawyers can't view the contract then they can't give an opinion.

I'm not saying they could've told him the outcome I'm saying they would've told him anything can happen and Bob is telling him what he wants to happen. Believing Bob and not doing his own homework seems gullible.

[ThatDude44]

Right!!!! Probably because media downplayed it and also acted like it was not important, a non issue, and dismissive of it.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Basically the contract couldnt expire because the clause stated if it expired they HAVE to go through arbitrition.
That means there was no way out of it. It would mean someone enforcing a fight should one party disappear.

However there's no accountability for Wilder's actions, going awol like that when Fury needed the fight. He's gotten away with it.

Where are you people getting this idea that Wilder went AWOL? That is not what happened. Arum lied. Wilder never rejected any date. Mike Coppinger said Top Rank told PBC they were getting the dates & venue ready (being they are the lead promoter) then suddenly told them the contract is expired. They tried to pull a fast one and got caught. Nobody went AWOL stop believing lying Bob

[paulf]

You know I didn't, but I would speculate that most people, media members included, think of arbitration as it applies to employment law: a retired judge reducing stress on the court system by looking over the contract and making a ruling based on what everyone signed before it hits court. That's not what this was.

It's not unreasonable to wonder if media people were shown or told off the record exactly what the contract said by TR or Team Fury. And if it clearly said it was expired with no act of God clause, then they shrugged their shoulders and said "Well, that's that." And any other year, that would be reasonable.

But the contact expired because the fight kept getting pushed out. And the fight kept getting pushed out because everyone was going to lose a boatload of money if they did it without fans. And they had to do it without fans because of a global pandemic.

In business, an arbitrator is going to decide what's fair, not just interpret who is right based on the black-and-white details.

Hearn is an absolute fool if he didn't realize all of this. a FOOL.

[billeau2]

You said it yourself, they downplayed it due to what Arum told them. Arum told that to the boxing media so they just repeated it, from Copp to Rafael to Pugmire to others.

The truth is not many people are educated enough in the legal system so they just go with what they are told. I agree that Hearn doesn't have that excuse as he has his own legal team and should have consulted with them of all the possibilities of the arbitration and what could have happened had Fury lost his case.

Furthermore, according to Rafael, the judge was not impressed at all of the arguments coming from Team Fury. Arum is NO dummy when it comes to this, he would have known early on where this was heading. There is a reason he put a hold on the Allegiance stadium for the Wilder fight so quickly after arbitration and why Trampler was saying Fury will be returning in July on PPV.....When all the news was of the Joshua fight taking place on August 14.

I think people assume Arum and Hearn were not aware of it. Trying to shoot for a payday that dwarfs the net income of a small country was in the self interest of all involved... Even for Wilder! I mean it never hurt Wilder's position... did it? Everyone is forgetting what promoters think of fans. Telling the fans facts about fights is not in a promoter's self interest... Never has been, never will be. Now... people can scream about Hearn and Arum and Frank... or just understand what butters their bread. Deals involve multiple parties, and in a slightly different scenario Wilder accepts 10 million and we have our fight. So of course the fight with Joshua was pursued.

people are blinded by hate, but if they listened, Fury was absolutely correct about what he told his fans. He maintained for most of the negotiation that he probably would not be fighting Joshua for a while, and that he didn't know the details, his words being: "I pay lawyers a lot of money to deal with this stuff." At the last moment, after much coaxing, Fury capitulated and seemed to not concern himself with the arbitration... OK, so he thought Arum would deal with it. Arum did deal with it lol. he was set up for the Wilder fight with a site. So as much as i hate Bob... Hey! he got his fighter a fight. He allowed Fury the opportunity to make a much greater deal, and when it was not doable he had a back up.

Fans need to wake up and look at the Paul Brothers... yes, they are horrid! But if boxing ever wants to come into an age when fighters fight who the fans want them to fight, we need to remove the promoters! Fury and joshua led by a glowing PR team need to set up escrow, and get fans to pay directly, then have someone sell tickets, let lawyers handle the streaming, etc. Until then we are stuck with promoters who promote based on what is best for them...and sometimes this corresponds to what is best for the fighter... Sometimes. It is alas, that simple.

[kushking]

Well wait a minute,your forgetting just how much this ruling goes against legal precedent.(arbitration is a joke to begin with,its the most corrupt excuse for a legal system on earth) I have been saying for a while that this judge was appointed by LBJ(complete leftist) & that I knew he would try to use Covid as an excuse to rule for Wilder despite countless companies going bankrupt over contracts signed before covid,& none of them were allowed to extend set in stone deadlines as per the contracts just because of covid. Thats why this is a miscarriage of justice.

(Arbitrators are known for being biased pos who do whatever they want against all laws/precedents & they are known to favor the party that is most likely to bring other cases to arbitration in future.)

In this Case pbc were the ones who held the belt,& therefore were the ones that had contract written. They put a set in stone deadline for when the fight must happen,when covid happened they were still free to make the fight by the deadline as there were other fights happening without fans & even with fans in texas. Wilder/Pbc was completely at fault for fight not happening because he didn't want it outside vegas & he didn't want to lose money.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Well wait a minute,your forgetting just how much this ruling goes against legal precedent.(arbitration is a joke to begin with,its the most corrupt excuse for a legal system on earth)

The ruling cited Lewis vs Rahman as precedent so you're wrong and anything you said after that means nothing

[billeau2]

You know I didn't, but I would speculate that most people, media members included, think of arbitration as it applies to employment law: a retired judge reducing stress on the court system by looking over the contract and making a ruling based on what everyone signed before it hits court. That's not what this was.

It's not unreasonable to wonder if media people were shown or told off the record exactly what the contract said by TR or Team Fury. And if it clearly said it was expired with no act of God clause, then they shrugged their shoulders and said "Well, that's that." And any other year, that would be reasonable.

But the contact expired because the fight kept getting pushed out. And the fight kept getting pushed out because everyone was going to lose a boatload of money if they did it without fans. And they had to do it without fans because of a global pandemic.

In business, an arbitrator is going to decide what's fair, not just interpret who is right based on the black-and-white details.

Hearn is an absolute fool if he didn't realize all of this. a FOOL.

Promoters make a fortune, are often worshipped with a fan base... So people naturally assume they are smart and able. Don King used to mock people because his natural sociopathology and intelligence allowed him to rise unfettered as a promoter. But how able are these guys? How much do they actually know about contracts? mediation? arbitration? Hearn was perhaps a fool, Arum, who is a lawyer, knew the possibility, because he had a site picked for the Wilder fight.

Arbitrators do indeed deside what is "fair" I would say regarding contracts; they need to determine "what would make both parties whole again," with regard to the contract. It is pretty logical to assume giving Wilder money, and assuming there is a work around within a two fight deal vis a vis fury and joshua is not going to compensate him adequately. The most logical action is to understand that with Covid, an act of nature prevented parties to the contract from performing. I can't see fault with this ruling, minus any specific language in the contract... which is reason not to ever speculate lol.

[billeau2]

Well wait a minute,your forgetting just how much this ruling goes against legal precedent.(arbitration is a joke to begin with,its the most corrupt excuse for a legal system on earth) I have been saying for a while that this judge was appointed by LBJ(complete leftist) & that I knew he would try to use Covid as an excuse to rule for Wilder despite countless companies going bankrupt over contracts signed before covid,& none of them were allowed to extend set in stone deadlines as per the contracts just because of covid. Thats why this is a miscarriage of justice.

(Arbitrators are known for being biased pos who do whatever they want against all laws/precedents & they are known to favor the party that is most likely to bring other cases to arbitration in future.)

In this Case pbc were the ones who held the belt,& therefore were the ones that had contract written. They put a set in stone deadline for when the fight must happen,when covid happened they were still free to make the fight by the deadline as there were other fights happening without fans & even with fans in texas. Wilder/Pbc was completely at fault for fight not happening because he didn't want it outside vegas & he didn't want to lose money.

Arbitrators and mediators generally work within a framework that determines their bias. Perfect example is something like housing court, where,in this case, judges, are slightly biased towards the renters. The idea being: to try to prevent homelessness. So precident is hardly the only milestone in such a preceding. But your essentially arguing that because people who were destroyed by Covid did not get a fair shake, that this should be the norm. In basic contract law there are provisions for when a party is unable to perform, through no fault of their own... Like me! I am supposed to inspect a property, get hit by a car... can my contract to perform be considered enforcable?

You feel making the fight without fans was an option... I am not so sure it wasn't, but I would have to see the contract to consider the possibility.

[kushking]

The ruling cited Lewis vs Rahman as precedent so you're wrong and anything you said after that means nothing

It like all bs rulings can cite whatever it wants,(& you don't know what it cited because it wasn't released publicly,you are going off what Usyks clown attorney said in his letter to wbo) doesn't detract from the FACT that they used covid as the sole reason to rule for Wilder/pbc when it was their fault they didn't schedule the fight during the timeframe they had written into contract. And the FACT that countless contracts warent voided despite covid & despite companies going bankrupt due to agreements made before covid.