Why did everyone ignore/downplay arbitration?

[Motorcity Cobra]

The promoter who is a lawyer and has a whole family of lawyers said it wouldn't be a problem. What could Hearn or other lawyers done? Not like they could view the Fury/Wilder contract is it?

That's not how things work & Hearn's lawyers would've told him to ignore what Arum was saying. Eddie is gullible if he took the words of Arum and didn't consult his own lawyers.

[Motorcity Cobra]

all bow down to Nostradamus.

I'm not claiming to be nostradamus all I was saying this whole time is arbitration is holding up the fight and nobody knows what the arbiter will rule. I'm not surprised he ruled Fury owes Wilder a rematch. I also wouldn't have been surprised if he ruled Fury must pay Wilder or if he ruled the contract did expire & they all can move on. My whole point all this time was this is a big deal & not to be ignored or downplayed like most were doing.

[Inspired]

Basically the contract couldnt expire because the clause stated if it expired they HAVE to go through arbitrition.
That means there was no way out of it. It would mean someone enforcing a fight should one party disappear.

However there's no accountability for Wilder's actions, going awol like that when Fury needed the fight. He's gotten away with it.




oh and if wilder's people are so clued up on every nuance of legal loopholes, then i have no doubt they would have royally screwed over AJ had he verbally agreed to an offer, because in US law a verbal agreement (on camera which is what wilder insisted on) is legally binding.
once aj agreed to it, he was toast, they could have had anything in the contract. They are not people anyone can trust in those situations.

At least Eddie picked up on their insistence that 'aj needs to make a video and post it, where he says 'deontay wilder, i accept your offer''.
aj chose his words carefully, not 'i accept' but 'let's go'.

it'#s crazy that black american wilder fans are so biased on this, it's obv people like wilder and even andy ruiz were looking for legal loopholes when dealing with aj/matchroom rather than being honourable men.

boxing politics is a puzzle.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Because boxing media reiterated anything Arum or Hearn said. It was all taken at face value.

But why? I've seen them wildly speculate on legal issues, especially when it concerns PBC (Golden Boy & Top Rank lawsuits come to mind) but this time nobody seemed to want to acknowledge arbitration.

[Robbie Barrett]

That's not how things work & Hearn's lawyers would've told him to ignore what Arum was saying. Eddie is gullible if he took the words of Arum and didn't consult his own lawyers.

What's not how things work? Lawyers can look at contracts and see if there's a case. Arum flat out lied to everyone. Saying Joshua was keeping Fury out of the ring and he wanted to fight. Giving deadlines because Fury wants to fight. When the whole damn time he couldn't sign. Arum hasn't only messed about Hearn but the TV networks, Saudi's and all the fans. A level of unprofessionalism you wouldn't expect to see from any promoter.

Again if Hearns lawyers can't view the contract then they can't give an opinion.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Arum and Hearn were singing the same tune, while Wilder's credibility took a serious hit after all the excuses and conspiracy theories in the aftermath of his loss to Fury.

What else is a boxing fan supposed to think? It's not like we have a serious vested interest on the outcome of the arbitration. Hopefully Fury vs Wilder happens next, and the winner can fight the winner between AJ vs Usyk.

This had nothing to do with Wilder's credibility this was a legal issue about a signed contract. Wilder never said anything about arbitration so why would his credibility on this issue come into play?

[Richard]

Because boxing media reiterated anything Arum or Hearn said. It was all taken at face value.

I think it was more Arum than Hearn though. Huge shame as I was really looking to the Fury/Joshua fight. Hopefully it still happens this year.

[Mammoth]

But why? I've seen them wildly speculate on legal issues, especially when it concerns PBC (Golden Boy & Top Rank lawsuits come to mind) but this time nobody seemed to want to acknowledge arbitration.

That's a very good question. It could be something as simple as they honestly think that low of PBC.

[KTFOKING]

What's not how things work? Lawyers can look at contracts and see if there's a case. Arum flat out lied to everyone. Saying Joshua was keeping Fury out of the ring and he wanted to fight. Giving deadlines because Fury wants to fight. When the whole damn time he couldn't sign. Arum hasn't only messed about Hearn but the TV networks, Saudi's and all the fans. A level of unprofessionalism you wouldn't expect to see from any promoter.

Again if Hearns lawyers can't view the contract then they can't give an opinion.

They may not have been able to look at the contracts, but they surely could have told Hearn the implications of the arbitration and would could have happened if Fury lost the case. Arum is the biggest culprit here no doubt, but Hearn shouldn't have just taken Arum's word as gospel here.

[Mammoth]

They may not have been able to look at the contracts, but they surely could have told Hearn the implications of the arbitration and would could have happened if Fury lost the case. Arum is the biggest culprit here no doubt, but Hearn shouldn't have just taken Arum's word as gospel here.

I was looking at it the same way as that guy at first but Hearn should have known better and there's no way he wasn't told this wasn't a possibility.