RJJ Interview: "BERNARD DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE THE FIGHT"

[Easy-E]

Thats absolute bull****, and I cant believe it even came from you.

You mean the Bernard that had two more professional fights than Roy? Amateur experience or not, you think Roy was PRIME at 21-0?

Really?

How about the fact that AFTER Roy BEAT Bernard.. Bernard didnt lose for another 12 YEARS... what about that?

Only when Roy decided to move up in weight, was middleweight there for the taking for Bernard.

Thats one of my fav arugments from Hop fans in denial.
Hop was very green, yet had more fights than RJJ...but RJJ wasnt green...

its obvious that it was about amatuer experience at this point in their careers...20 fights deep.

[Guest]

Thats one of my fav arugments from Hop fans in denial.
Hop was very green, yet had more fights than RJJ...but RJJ wasnt green...

its obvious that it was about amatuer experience at this point in their careers...20 fights deep.

Honestly, Jones had a ton more experience than Hop. I mean he was an amateur as a kid and a 1988 Bronze (should've been Gold) Olympic medalist while Hop was on the farm fighting cellblock d.


Jones had it all over Hop back then and proved it in the ring.

Jones is past it, but I still think this would be a good fight now (though meaningless overall).

I don't think many would think Hop would even have a chance with Roy until a couple of years ago when Jones age started to show.

Hop is a good fighter, but I think Roy's advantages will probably still be his advantages, even this late in the game but it would definitely be closer than the first one (which was a schooling).

[Kendo]

It just seems like no matter what these two fighters do its always down graded. In 01-02 no one knew that hops was going to do what he is doing. If they did Im sure Roy would have taken the fight. But green blue black or red Roy had a win over him and at that time deserved 60-40. It was never said that Roy was gonna fight the winner of hops tito. It was if tito would have won Roy was gonna move back down to 160 to fight him. Roy was the p4p num 1 at the time and deserved the split.

Both these fighters never get the respect that they deserve. All ppl were saying was how Tito was gonna KO hops easy. Hops beats him and he is labled as going after little guys. If your an underdog going into the fight than in no way should someone diminish what you did. I read on this very website more ppl saying that Pavlik was gonna kill hops and Ko hops and end his career. When hops won it was he is picking on lighter fighters. If Hops beats Dawson he will be overrated. If he beats Johnson it will be Johnson is past it.

Roy has not beaten any elite fighters in a very loong time yes. But if he wants to fight the big names he needs to call them out. It would be very hard to Roy at this point in his career to beat hops. Like someone said hops wont let Roy control the ring like Lacy did. But Roy does still have the speed and he wont be a sitting duck if he is off the ropes.

I love both fighters. Would I like to see this fight? Yes I would. Do I think it will be a blockbuster? no I dont. But no matter what each fighter does its not going to be good enough so they mine aswell fighter eachother.

[VipersThunder]

shocking since bernard publicly stated he does not want to make the fight last week.

I know people are morons. Bernard doesn't want to make the fight because he thinks Jones is washed up and he wants a legitimate champion. Jones is trying to convince himself otherwise.

[ßringer]

Thats absolute bull****, and I cant believe it even came from you.

You mean the Bernard that had two more professional fights than Roy? Amateur experience or not, you think Roy was PRIME at 21-0?

Really?

How about the fact that AFTER Roy BEAT Bernard.. Bernard didnt lose for another 12 YEARS... what about that?

Only when Roy decided to move up in weight, was middleweight there for the taking for Bernard.

I never even said Roy was prime in that fight ; don't put words in my mouth,son.

I was merely pointing out that the Hopkins that Roy beat, and the Hopkins that evolved from the one Roy beat are two totally different animals.

Right, or wrong?

[ßringer]

I think Jones would own Tarver or Johnson in a rematch and give allot better fight to Calzaghe after getting his confidence back. Allot of people forget that this 'old' Jones did drop Joe and was one devastating shot away from a suprise KO victory. A few more uppercuts like the one he landed at the end of the 6th would have closed the show, in my opinion and the fight wasn't out of reach until the cut happened.

That's just laughable.

Seriously.

He caught Joe with his forearm, not a punch.

And Calzaghe got up, and smacked him around like a cheap hoe for the next 33 minutes.

Jones was never even once close to stopping Calzaghe, and to imply he was is the height of ******ity.

Because everybody who saw the fight knows better.

That'd be like me coming in some thread and saying Juan Diaz was close to stopping Nate Campbell.

[ßringer]

I never even said Roy was prime in that fight ; don't put words in my mouth,son.

I was merely pointing out that the Hopkins that Roy beat, and the Hopkins that evolved from the one Roy beat are two totally different animals.

Right, or wrong?

And like it or not ; Roy did have an experience edge the first time out because of his celebrated Amateur career.

He was winning medals in the Olympics while Hopkins was standing in the chow line at Graterford.

Was Roy prime? No. Absolutely not.

But was he more experienced than Hopkins? Yeah, he was.

[THE REED]

I never even said Roy was prime in that fight ; don't put words in my mouth,son.

I was merely pointing out that the Hopkins that Roy beat, and the Hopkins that evolved from the one Roy beat are two totally different animals.

Right, or wrong?

The Roy that beat Bernard, and the Roy that evolved after beating Bernard, is also two different animals. They were both green, it was BOTH of their first title fights... it was even playing ground... Roy won, and they both got better down the road.

[THE REED]

And like it or not ; Roy did have an experience edge the first time out because of his celebrated Amateur career.

He was winning medals in the Olympics while Hopkins was standing in the chow line at Graterford.

Was Roy prime? No. Absolutely not.

But was he more experienced than Hopkins? Yeah, he was.

Maybe more amateur experience, yes.

In the professional rankings Roy was only 21-0

TWENTY ONE pro fights... THATS IT.... Andre Berto has 4 more fights right now than Roy did...

And like I said, Bernard didnt lose for TWELVE YEARS after Roy beat him... he lost DECISEVELY to Roy, and then he went on to win for 12 years... so Bernard was green, but he was still a DAMN GOOD, PROVEN, TECHNICAL fighter... who became the IBF champ only one year after that fight.


The point is MOOT, to argue who was MORE green is absolutely ridiculous... roy was 21-0, and Bernard was something like 23-1... Roy won, lets move on.

[Chase8400]

That's just laughable.

Seriously.

He caught Joe with his forearm, not a punch.

And Calzaghe got up, and smacked him around like a cheap hoe for the next 33 minutes.

Jones was never even once close to stopping Calzaghe, and to imply he was is the height of ******ity.

Because everybody who saw the fight knows better.

That'd be like me coming in some thread and saying Juan Diaz was close to stopping Nate Campbell.

So, as you are saying, Jones' forearm hit Joe? Skin? I beg to differ. If any part of the glove lands that is the front side(including the wrist) , it is a legal blow. Roy put him down and it was very, very clear he was hurt. If you don't accept that, it shows your bias. Had Roy pounced, who knows, he may have got the stoppage. Instead, as a true sportsman, thinking the night would be allot easier, he waited until Joe had shaken off the effects of the shot. Again, that was very, very clear and you can't see past the blood and the body shots all night on the ropes like a true casual fan.

Hows that for ******ity? I thought you remembered me 'bringing' it to you a while ago. I guess your memory really is poor and that's not just in boxing.