Canelo Alvarez Explains Testing Positive For Clenbuterol in Graham Bensinger Interview! Believe Him?

[mrpain81]

I think he did roids, his body changed. So did Golovkin/Floyd/Manny/Hopkins/DLH/Ward/Joshua/Fury/Spence/Crawford/Choc/Holyfield/Tyson/Bowe/Marquez/Chave/RJJ.

There's too much money at the top of sports, if you have a chance to make millions of dollars it's a no brainer to get every edge out there.

Basically every top fighter in the past 40/50 years has been on some form of steroids.

Maybe we could exclude Andy Ruiz.

[Thuglife Nelo]

All these Canelo stories are pretty damn funny and even funnier is seeing all the legit g@y fanboys come to defend him. Imagine having a sport dominated by people who care less about the sport and more about a particular individual. That's disgusting. This is why boxing is a joke.

How can they possibly think they understand what they're talking about when the shown us they lack the proper starting point? Aka common sense.

Canelo goes, "I know all meat in Mexico is contaminated and that's why I failed the tests. "

Well, common sense would ask, if you knew the meat was tainted why did you eat it?

And there can only be TWO answers to this.

1. Canelo is one dumb mother ****er

2. Canelo was caught at the end of a cycle

Literally those are your only two options yet somehow them Canelo groupies thing there's another option which their isn't.

But the refuse to admit that Canelo is either lmfao because it hurts them personally so much. It's funny too to hear Canelo whine about how he was so mad at GGG he wanted to cut his head off due to accusations but somehow was content with a MD in a razor close fight against GGG.

Sorry. Any real man who would say something like that would have jumped right back in if they were so confident in their skills.

But somehow GGG was off the table for a good year or two before Canelo became "interested" again.

You can't make this **** up. Canelo over there plotting you take GGG out in the ring by waiting him out like a real man. Too ****ing funny.

If I got busted for smoking weed but it became legalized did I still smoke the weed? Lmfao. These guys are the dictionary definition of ret@rded.

It’s typical or LDBC followers not understanding past, present or future tense with quotes or statements. Canelo said if you eat meat in Mexico and you go take a VADA test that you’ll get a nano trace. That my friend is present tense since Canelo cited that WADA amended Clenbuterol. When Canelo in 2018 responded on his fail test he said it was due to contaminated meat because that’s what even VADA’s lab at SMRTL said, “consistent with meat contamination.”

when fans talk about the “end of cycling” they’re just making stuff up lol

[AKAcronym]

It's been reported that Canelo doesn't eat red meat (i.e. beef) during camps and only eats tacos after a fight, so it's pretty weird that he supposedly had enough meat at a time when he normally doesn't to have enough clenbuterol to show up in his tests. What a coincidence...

[Thuglife Nelo]

It's been reported that Canelo doesn't eat red meat (i.e. beef) during camps and only eats tacos after a fight, so it's pretty weird that he supposedly had enough meat at a time when he normally doesn't to have enough clenbuterol to show up in his tests. What a coincidence...

Tacos are delicious! Clenbuterol gives it nice flavor too! Why else would WADA approve Clen now!? Everyone loves Mexican food. Second is Indian!

[Citizen Koba]

A) And if he did, the amounts were laughingly LOW.....The 6 month ''ban'' was a technicality. Didn't Morales get his ass handed to him during a fight he tested positive for Clen ?!!? Maybe Swift was on some shlt since he won.

Clen - BoxingScene.com is reporting that Erik Morales' "irregular" A sample test from USADA came up with trace amounts of clenbuterol, which is not a steroid, but is known as a drug that can help with weight loss.

Weight loss !

More info -

What do clen do

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...clenbuterol-do

Let's assume Nelo did do the Clen....losing weight was a strategic move vs GGG ?!?!?

If a MFer is gonna cry foul over trace amounts that NO ONE would notice during a fight, why cry ?

You know what a REAL unfair advantage is ? Some legit dog being thrown in to pad a MFers resume.

But, nah. Mismatches aren't banned
Trace amounts of whatever is.

B) My gripe is

One or the other ?

Would you rather trace amounts of ''????''
Or
Mismatches

Let's not be hypocritical.

You clearly still ain't getting the whole process of drug elimination. Any dose of a drug will eventually become a 'trace' amount as the body eliminates it by metabolisation or excretion. We can't glean any information about how much Clenbuterol entered Canelo's system unless we know when it entered the body. Do you want more information on elimination half lives and pharmacokinetics or am I just wasting my time on something you don't want to hear?

And for reference trace in terms of detectibility thresholds for which athletes could receive a ban in other countries would be of the order 1 - 10 pico grams per ml.... Candles 'trace' was 600 - 800pg/ ml - in the range of 100x the detectability level - so whilst anything measured in picograms could be called 'trace' in laymans terms in the context of drug testing it most definitely isn't.

Also for reference when testing was done on u16 football teams visiting Mexico widespread suspected meat contamination was found but the large majority of cases tested under 200pg/ml... between a third and a quarter of that detected in Canelo's urine. Make of that what you will. Regardless it's still impossible to claim Canelo's guilt because it is theporetically quite possible that he had eaten some heavily contaminated meat in the day or two prior to his tests. It's also possible he had been on a the****utic (PED level) course of Clenbuterol and had cycled off probably in the range of two or three weeks prior to being tested. Both are possible and both are 'consistent with' the available evidence.


And once again yes mismatches are bad and I agree in many cases more dangerous than PED use (although I ain't sure pumping oneself full of PEDs is particularly good for you TBH) but the argument you're using is akin to saying that because murder is worse than **** we should decriminalise ****. It's plain ******. Absolutely I will argue against mismatches but in no way does that trivialise attempting to gain a competitive advantage by cheating. Now if you want to argue that all or some PED use should be within the rules that's a different question and one that I would happily debate, but I personally would rather see a level playing field.

But yeah sure... as I said already I don't believe Clen (which is as you say used mainly for weight loss but also to build lean muscle since it has some anabolic properties)- or in fact most other PEDs make a huge difference - but then when victory or loss in a fight can depend on the most narrow of margins even the smallest amount of extra stamina or strength can make be the difference.

Look OK I get it, maybe it just ain't an issue to you, that's OK and you're entitled to your opinion... and I agree the benefits gained ain't gonna turn Andre Berto into Floyd Mayweather but they ain't neglgiable either or else mfers wouldn't keep using the **** to try to gain an advantage, even if that advantage is just coming to the ring a bit bigger and stronger than their opponents.

Anyway... think this has run on just about long enough... I've explained my knowledge of the events surrounding Canelo's test results and my own position as best I can.. like I say I'd qyuite happily let it lie but a coupla times a year someone pops up and claims there's some kinda 'proof' of Canelo's innocence and I have to go through all this nonsense again. I ain't got it in for Canelo but I'm also always going to be at least aware of the possibility that he may have used PEDs at some points in his career. Ain't a dealbreaker - I'm still a great admirer of his craft and appreciate that he could have taken a much easier route than he did -- but it just means there'll also be a bit of a questionmark there.


EDIT: Also on the subject of mismatches we've had a few absolutely overwhelming 'Dogs come through with the W already this year... so I ain't even sure what you do about that. For me massive upsets and Cinderella stories are a key part of the narrative of Boxing but you can't have massive upsets without massive mismatches so even that subject ain't as clearcut as you're making it.

At a slight tangent I do have a big bee in my bonnet about weight cutting and rehydrating though - moreso even than PED use. That **** is dangerous for both guys in the ring and also potentially unbalancing. When I see a fight I want to see who's the best of two guys the same size not who can gain the biggest advantage from from being bigger. Down to me I'd have em weighed right before the bell but of course I can see that's completely impracticable.

[F l i c k e r]

Not even going to watch him try to explain himself.

There's nothing to explain. He got caught trying to get an upper hand.

[F l i c k e r]

I think he did roids, his body changed. So did Golovkin/Floyd/Manny/Hopkins/DLH/Ward/Joshua/Fury/Spence/Crawford/Choc/Holyfield/Tyson/Bowe/Marquez/Chave/RJJ.

There's too much money at the top of sports, if you have a chance to make millions of dollars it's a no brainer to get every edge out there.

Basically every top fighter in the past 40/50 years has been on some form of steroids.

Maybe we could exclude Andy Ruiz.

Nope.

Andy Ruiz's body has been changing dramatically since beginning to train with Canelo.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

It’s typical or LDBC followers not understanding past, present or future tense with quotes or statements. Canelo said if you eat meat in Mexico and you go take a VADA test that you’ll get a nano trace. That my friend is present tense since Canelo cited that WADA amended Clenbuterol. When Canelo in 2018 responded on his fail test he said it was due to contaminated meat because that’s what even VADA’s lab at SMRTL said, “consistent with meat contamination.”

when fans talk about the “end of cycling” they’re just making stuff up lol

Shut your mouth Mexican LDBC lmfao.

You need to make **** up to support your agenda. You're nothing but a liar and a ****** fanboy. So what you're saying is Canelo knowingly ate meat that he knew was possibly contaminated? Yes or no?

And why would he do that? Please do tell me why he would take that risk.

Knowing that Clenbuterol was a banned substance at that time and risk failing?

People like you want to pretend you're smart but you can't even comprehend common sense. Someone with common sense who knew Mexican meat could possibly be contaminated would never risk the possibility.

Someone who's team are butchers themselves and who himself is a multi millionaire would never risk the possibility.

But oh, since the results were consistent with meat contamination it must be from it? NO.

But again, here we have another case of you being too ****** to understand simple concepts. Could it have been from meat contamination? Sure. But could it have also been from being a cheat? YES.

Toss in some common ****ing sense to the mix and unless you're some ****** g@y fanboy like yourself it's easy to see that Canelo most likely and probably did cheat.

There was NO REASON to be anywhere near Mexican meat. Don't kid yourself. You don't even understand the words you use yet act like you do. If I smoked pot and was jailed for it but it became legalized did I smoke pot? Yeah I did. Did Canelo exceed the thresholds at the time he was busted for PEDs? YES

LMFAO. A dumb ass who tells me I don't understand past, present, or future tense has no ****ing understanding himself. God you're so ****ing embarassing.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Shut your mouth Mexican LDBC lmfao.

You need to make **** up to support your agenda. You're nothing but a liar and a ****** fanboy. So what you're saying is Canelo knowingly ate meat that he knew was possibly contaminated? Yes or no?

And why would he do that? Please do tell me why he would take that risk.

Knowing that Clenbuterol was a banned substance at that time and risk failing?

People like you want to pretend you're smart but you can't even comprehend common sense. Someone with common sense who knew Mexican meat could possibly be contaminated would never risk the possibility.

Someone who's team are butchers themselves and who himself is a multi millionaire would never risk the possibility.

But oh, since the results were consistent with meat contamination it must be from it? NO.

But again, here we have another case of you being too ****** to understand simple concepts. Could it have been from meat contamination? Sure. But could it have also been from being a cheat? YES.

Toss in some common ****ing sense to the mix and unless you're some ****** g@y fanboy like yourself it's easy to see that Canelo most likely and probably did cheat.

There was NO REASON to be anywhere near Mexican meat. Don't kid yourself. You don't even understand the words you use yet act like you do. If I smoked pot and was jailed for it but it became legalized did I smoke pot? Yeah I did. Did Canelo exceed the thresholds at the time he was busted for PEDs? YES

LMFAO. A dumb ass who tells me I don't understand past, present, or future tense has no ****ing understanding himself. God you're so ****ing embarassing.

Didn’t read anything… you’re LDBC.

[TheBoxGod]

I do as someone who makes his living in the fitness industry, I believe Canelo.

also wada has changed the threshold of the levels for what is deemed a efficacious trace amount levels which canelo was well under which means the trace levels canelo had are not significant enough that the amount he actually ingested wasn't even a efficacious dose which can only mean one thing. CONTAMINATION.

Now reason that this knowledge already proves Canelo innocent but now take into account Mexico issues with clenbutrol in the meat it fully vindicates Canelo.