Canelo Alvarez Explains Testing Positive For Clenbuterol in Graham Bensinger Interview! Believe Him?

[BodyBagz]

I still don't get what you're saying? Are you saying that because mismatches are bad we should ignore PED use? That makes no logical sense whatsoever.

And there's two issues at play here, both a safety issue (to both opponents and users of PEDs) and the issue of fair play. I personally don't believe PEDs make a huge difference to a fighter's ceiling, certainly they can't turn a sports Hall brawler into a championship level boxer... But at the margins where a 1 or 2 percent difference in stamina or strength can make the difference between winning a title and remaining a contender it can make a life changing difference to individual athletes and personally I think that is bad for the sport and also morally wrong.

It shouldnt effect your personal entertainment though, so if that's your only concern I guess I can understand how you might consider PEDs to be a non-issue.

Sigh

Without tests, how many of us would say Nelo had miniscule amounts of a drug in him ?

Strike that

According to so called unbiased fight fans @ NSB, everyone is on drugs (except THEIR guy) and no test is good enough

[Citizen Koba]

Sigh

Without tests, how many of us would say Nelo had miniscule amounts of a drug in him ?

Strike that

According to so called unbiased fight fans @ NSB, everyone is on drugs (except THEIR guy) and no test is good enough

I still don't get you. The question being asked in this thread is whether Canelo used a PED to gain an advantage or not and the answer is that based on the available evidence we just don't know. My entire presence in this thread was in response to a poster claiming that Canelo was definitely innocent and that Clenbuterol was in any case not considered a PED of significance by WADA due to their introduction of a relativelty high threshold limit. Neither claim was true and I explained why..

You appear to feel that this is some kind attack on Canelo when it's just me laying out the available information as best I've able to discern it (and I looked into this in considerable depth at the time). Do I think drugs are an issue in the sport? Yes. Do I think they're very much more widespread than testing commonly shows? Of course. Do I think that many of my favourite fighters have used as well? Naturally.

Drugs are rife in the sport however they also bring problems both in terms of fairness and in terms of the health effects related to unsafe usage (often effecting the poorest fighters) and potentially (though I agree limited) increased danger to opponents. Either way I would hope we can agree there shouldn't just be a carte blanche which would essentially lead to escalatory PED battles to establish who can afford the best chemist or push the safety envelope the furthest. So can we agree there should probably be some form of deterence at least even if we're both aware that PEDs exist and are widely used in the sport?

As to 'no test being good enough' - I will happily link you to the research papers and information available on hair strand testing if you're interested but you might find WADAs take on it to be useful or at the very least more pithy:

https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...taminated-meat

WADA have no "magic solution" to know if clenbuterol positives are due to doping or contaminated meat

I ain't just pulling this outta my ass. Ain't my problem if you choose to ignore the evidence. Like I say there's no definitive proof either way in Canelo's case and I would happily let it lie - I think it should be just water under the bridge now after 4 years - except certain posters on here keep bringing it up and using convoluted arguments to claim proof of Canelo's innocence or exoneration which does not exist.

So... was it the wider issue of PED use in boxing you wanted to discuss or you just upset cos not everyone is sure Canelo didn't attempt to cheat?

[BodyBagz]

A) I still don't get you. The question being asked in this thread is whether Canelo used a PED to gain an advantage or not and the answer is that based on the available evidence we just don't know.

B) I ain't just pulling this outta my ass. Ain't my problem if you choose to ignore the evidence. Like I say there's no definitive proof either way in Canelo's case and I would happily let it lie - I think it should be just water under the bridge now - except certain posters on here keep bringing it up and using convoluted arguments to claim proof of Canelo's innocence or exoneration which does not exist.

So... was it the wider issue of PED use in boxing you wanted to discuss or you just upset cos not everyone is sure Canelo didn't attempt to cheat?

A) And if he did, the amounts were laughingly LOW.....The 6 month ''ban'' was a technicality. Didn't Morales get his ass handed to him during a fight he tested positive for Clen ?!!? Maybe Swift was on some shlt since he won.

Clen - BoxingScene.com is reporting that Erik Morales' "irregular" A sample test from USADA came up with trace amounts of clenbuterol, which is not a steroid, but is known as a drug that can help with weight loss.

Weight loss !

More info -

What do clen do

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...clenbuterol-do

Let's assume Nelo did do the Clen....losing weight was a strategic move vs GGG ?!?!?

If a MFer is gonna cry foul over trace amounts that NO ONE would notice during a fight, why cry ?

You know what a REAL unfair advantage is ? Some legit dog being thrown in to pad a MFers resume.

But, nah. Mismatches aren't banned
Trace amounts of whatever is.

B) My gripe is

One or the other ?

Would you rather trace amounts of ''????''
Or
Mismatches

Let's not be hypocritical.

[Thuglife Nelo]

A) And if he did, the amounts were laughingly LOW.....The 6 month ''ban'' was a technicality. Didn't Morales get his ass handed to him during a fight he tested positive for Clen ?!!? Maybe Swift was on some shlt since he won.

Clen - BoxingScene.com is reporting that Erik Morales' "irregular" A sample test from USADA came up with trace amounts of clenbuterol, which is not a steroid, but is known as a drug that can help with weight loss.

Weight loss !

More info -

What do clen do

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...clenbuterol-do

Let's assume Nelo did do the Clen....losing weight was a strategic move vs GGG ?!?!?

If a MFer is gonna cry foul over trace amounts that NO ONE would notice during a fight, why cry ?

You know what a REAL unfair advantage is ? Some legit dog being thrown in to pad a MFers resume.

But, nah. Mismatches aren't banned
Trace amounts of whatever is.

B) My gripe is

One or the other ?

Would you rather trace amounts of ''????''
Or
Mismatches

Let's not be hypocritical.

You’ve spoken like a P4P #1 Champ! Canelo is there for good reason

[BodyBagz]

You’ve spoken like a P4P #1 Champ! Canelo is there for good reason

I think people are arguing for the sake of arguing.
I understand sports have to have rules. ''Cheaters'' should be punished.

What if the cheater loses, though ?!?!?
Wide even ?!?!?

[Thuglife Nelo]

I think people are arguing for the sake of arguing.
I understand sports have to have rules. ''Cheaters'' should be punished.

What if the cheater loses, though ?!?!?
Wide even ?!?!?

Fans don’t like acknowledging or comprehending the politics.

Not a single poster challenges or entertains the debate that Bandito Vargas had double of Canelo’s amount, worked with Conte, was closer to his fight, and was exonerated from VADA! Those combinations of facts are the most comical occurrence that PEDS in boxing is all political and like you said, just for the sake of arguing.

and I continue posing the question which continues to be avoided for good reason, even Citizen Koba doesn’t want to acknowledge, yet claims to be “neutral,” but they don’t want to acknowledge that WADA amended their Clen rule in 2019. Yet posters claim that low trace amounts for Clen under meat contamination is cheating, which doesn’t make sense…why don’t the haters talk about why it was amended? They know fully well they give scientific research and it’s ********* benefit of doubt. That’s why they don’t dabble on it.

When industry reported two boxers having tested for Clen even after this *********, the WBC made a statement that they are following WADA’s rule. Lol. Yet they say the WBC changed the rule… most fans on the forum are either ******, play ******, or have limited comprehension.

[BodyBagz]

Fans don’t like acknowledging or comprehending the politics.

Not a single poster challenges or entertains the debate that Bandito Vargas had double of Canelo’s amount, worked with Conte, was closer to his fight, and was exonerated from VADA! Those combinations of facts are the most comical occurrence that PEDS in boxing is all political and like you said, just for the sake of arguing.

and I continue posing the question which continues to be avoided for good reason, even Citizen Koba doesn’t want to acknowledge, yet claims to be “neutral,” but they don’t want to acknowledge that WADA amended their Clen rule in 2019. Yet posters claim that low trace amounts for Clen under meat contamination is cheating, which doesn’t make sense…why don’t the haters talk about why it was amended? They know fully well they give scientific research and it’s ********* benefit of doubt. That’s why they don’t dabble on it.

When industry reported two boxers having tested for Clen even after this *********, the WBC made a statement that they are following WADA’s rule. Lol. Yet they say the WBC changed the rule… most fans on the forum are either ******, play ******, or have limited comprehension.

Haters funna hate

Reasons be damned

[Thuglife Nelo]

A) And if he did, the amounts were laughingly LOW.....

i realize the thread is only being hyped because posters like the poll. Forgot there was even a poll. Even the poll proves why many haters have little comprehension and hate the facts.

Clenbuterol was amended in 2019. So technically Canelo didn’t cheat since it’s below their thresholds. Vargas had double of Canelo of 1.2ng, still below the threshold and he was exonerated. The only reason why Vargas got benefit of doubt was because Conte would challenge VADA for his fighter!

All political. So if posters think Conte was still cheating with Bandito Vargas then what does that say about the whole SNAC program? Conte vouched for Canelo’s innocence. Breadman wouldn’t vouch for Canelo. Yet Breadman had Jrock enrolled in SNAC!

lol. It’s comical politics because the game simply has haters it’s as simple as that. Double standards turn into contradictions

[BodyBagz]

i realize the thread is only being hyped because posters like the poll. Forgot there was even a poll. Even the poll proves why many haters have little comprehension and hate the facts.

Clenbuterol was amended in 2019. So technically Canelo didn’t cheat since it’s below their thresholds. Vargas had double of Canelo of 1.2ng, still below the threshold and he was exonerated. The only reason why Vargas got benefit of doubt was because Conte would challenge VADA for his fighter!

All political. So if posters think Conte was still cheating with Bandito Vargas then what does that say about the whole SNAC program? Conte vouched for Canelo’s innocence. Breadman wouldn’t vouch for Canelo. Yet Breadman had Jrock enrolled in SNAC!

lol. It’s comical politics because the game simply has haters it’s as simple as that. Double standards turn into contradictions

The bold was the term I was looking for.

Hypocrites irk me too. The good part is the sport is on Nelo's side.

Haters only have each other

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Gotta love these ****smoking Canelo groupies

"PED'S ARE TERRIBLE! THEY SHOLD BE OUT OF THE SPORT!!"
*Canelo fails two tests*
"well, if we are going to discuss how terrible PED's are, we must define what is actually a PED. Something that helps you build muscle mass and cut fat at the same time? Nah that wouldn't enhance any performance"

All these Canelo stories are pretty damn funny and even funnier is seeing all the legit g@y fanboys come to defend him. Imagine having a sport dominated by people who care less about the sport and more about a particular individual. That's disgusting. This is why boxing is a joke.

How can they possibly think they understand what they're talking about when the shown us they lack the proper starting point? Aka common sense.

Canelo goes, "I know all meat in Mexico is contaminated and that's why I failed the tests. "

Well, common sense would ask, if you knew the meat was tainted why did you eat it?

And there can only be TWO answers to this.

1. Canelo is one dumb mother ****er

2. Canelo was caught at the end of a cycle

Literally those are your only two options yet somehow them Canelo groupies thing there's another option which their isn't.

But the refuse to admit that Canelo is either lmfao because it hurts them personally so much. It's funny too to hear Canelo whine about how he was so mad at GGG he wanted to cut his head off due to accusations but somehow was content with a MD in a razor close fight against GGG.

Sorry. Any real man who would say something like that would have jumped right back in if they were so confident in their skills.

But somehow GGG was off the table for a good year or two before Canelo became "interested" again.

You can't make this **** up. Canelo over there plotting you take GGG out in the ring by waiting him out like a real man. Too ****ing funny.

If I got busted for smoking weed but it became legalized did I still smoke the weed? Lmfao. These guys are the dictionary definition of ret@rded.