There is no one way to beat Floyd Mayweather.

[Roadblock]

Floyd is one of the greatest fighters ever, but no fighter’s unbeatable. His best traits can be used against him by another elite fighter in their prime.

In the ODLH, Pacquiao, and Judah fights, we saw Mayweather’s reluctance against elite counterpunching. They took rounds by staying just outside of Mayweather’s range, making him hesitant to attack and only came into range when they were ready to attack.

Against Cotto, we saw the way to attack Mayweather. Cotto ending his combinations with jabs to the head is the best punch to execute against him.

Against Castillo, JLC constantly took an extra step to his right to stay on Mayweather’s left, force Floyd to square up, and cutoff one of his escape routes so Floyd could only disengage to the right.

I’m game planning my fighter to press the fight, stay out of range, feint the counter (shoot the counter or step back if he attacks), constantly step to Mayweather’s left and force him to keep turning, end most combinations with a jab, and only shoot the cross to the body.

A fight is 12 rounds 36 minutes of strategy ebb and flow , no fighter wins every second of every round thats just a ridiculous concept, he has probably won more ring minutes that 99% of boxers throughout history , a guy loses a round adapts and wins the rest of the fight thats what happened in any competition.

How many racehorses are mid field until the final 100 yrds and then win, the race is first to cross the finish line not the first to any other point in the race.

I dont know some of triangle theories put up in here are nonsense, a guy wins a round or two and suddenly there is the blueprint on beating him over the full course, like he doesnt adapt to everything thats come his way, its that adaption process that made him great.

[eco1]

Shane did full random Olympic style drug testing and that's why he was done after the 2nd round. He could still punch hard but didn't have his "prime" aka balco enhanced stamina to throw hard shots for endless rounds. The new nose might not have helped too lol.

And B2B training since The GayWeather pulled one of his.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Man you got tunnel vision .

And Floyd was a frail boned 130lb fighter he has no business at all going to MW thats just another case of not looking the individual for what they are and trying to say they are all the same, they are not, each has their own sweet spot that has nothing to do with what somebody else did.

Floyds counter punching skills and work ethic is what got him to the top and allowed him to go 154, even there he didnt belong, 130 to 140 was his best, 147 and up was always a handicap for him and he did exceptionally well and proved to be the best of his generation his place in history is engraved in stone and all the crying in the world will never change that one iota its all recorded history now.

If 147 and up was “always a handicap” then him choosing 146 from 144 with Marquez was a sham... and it was. So Duran was able to fight up to Super Middleweight even though some of his legendary performances even started below 147... you make it sound like Middlewight is exclusively at 160 when Floyd made 152 with Canelo. Both Cotto and Canelo did 155, Floyd did 154... so Floyd would be handicapped 1lb north for Middleweight?

[Roadblock]

If 147 and up was “always a handicap” then him choosing 146 from 144 with Marquez was a sham... and it was. So Duran was able to fight up to Super Middleweight even though some of his legendary performances even started below 147... you make it sound like Middlewight is exclusively at 160 when Floyd made 152 with Canelo. Both Cotto and Canelo did 155, Floyd did 154... so Floyd would be handicapped 1lb north for Middleweight?

And you said you boxed for years and you dont understand weight like this , hmmmm ok he was out for nearly 2 yrs that can do things to your weight that can mean making weight is different 2 yrs on and the fight was post poned on top of that with broken rib that can also play a role, once you build up some internal bulk the body wants to hold on to it sometimes it will refuse to let it go its not needed weight its extra luggage weight around your internal organs you cant work it off in training it will only harden it must be starved off so the body eats it away, this type of thing happens to jockeys all the time and their entire career relies on weight, if they take their finger of the pulse their career can be as good as over, weight is actually a very in depth science way deeper than you are aware off, and weight is soooooo taken for granted by fans yet its such a loaded gun on the outcome.

Again with Duran youre comparing dense boned guys with Floyd it doesn't fly Durans physiology is uniquely his, Floyds is Floyds you cannot compare them without knowing their stats in bone density muscle type water holding capacity the list goes on and on, what one guys system can do has nothing to do with what another guy can do or not do we are all very different if you dig below the surface.

Making 152 it was actually 150 on the scales and he was the same fight night does not mean thats your best fighting weight he could easily make 175 looking like a Sumo its irrelevant in the context of best fighting weight, Im saying every ounce above your best weight is a handicap to some degree we are talking about F1 level athletes there is ounces at play in those race cars, ounces in play with a 1000lb racehorse its also in play with fighters only not so apparent because they dont have the scientific monitoring applied to them to actually see the minor differences in reaction time speed, power and stamina but it non the less it is there..

By your way of thinking every 135 lb fighter can be as good at 160 as they are at 135 which is absurd, there are so many variables involved in the individual before you even compare the opponent, Im a very scientific minded guy when it comes to sporting competition because fractions are involved and they can mean the difference in winning and losing.

[Thuglife Nelo]

And you said you boxed for years and you dont understand weight like this , hmmmm ok he was out for nearly 2 yrs that can do things to your weight that can mean making weight is different 2 yrs on and the fight was post poned on top of that with broken rib that can also play a role

Stopped reading here. Can’t tell if you’re taking the piss, lying... guessing. In COMBAT SPORTS, the average weight cut is 15lbs of water fight week. If Floyd would make 146 for his 147 fights then the assumption that he can’t cut shed simple water protocols of 2lbs is absurd. But this plays to my theory as I’ve said for years, that post Floyd drained to make 147. Floyd at 147 looked heftier than Lara at 154. So the agenda by TMT never disclosing his weight in his post career was to protect him to not compete at 154 consistently. It’s ok, Floyd too was draining

[Roadblock]

Stopped reading here. Can’t tell if you’re taking the piss, lying... guessing. In COMBAT SPORTS, the average weight cut is 15lbs of water fight week. If Floyd would make 146 for his 147 fights then the assumption that he can’t cut shed simple water protocols of 2lbs is absurd. But this plays to my theory as I’ve said for years, that post Floyd drained to make 147. Floyd at 147 looked heftier than Lara at 154. So the agenda by TMT never disclosing his weight in his post career was to protect him to not compete at 154 consistently. It’s ok, Floyd too was draining

We are not talking average we are talking specifically Floyd, debate my points and we will see if its lying I can prove every point I didnt write the science I just had to apply it in different things in my life, its easy to dismiss impossible to debate I get it, we know what we know , let me be brief when you hit a certain point with a time limit 2lb may as well be 20 lbs you should know that its not a bottomless pit, but then again you need to experience that point to know you cannot go further without it hurting you, 2lbs dont sound much but neither does a straw that broke the Camels back, Im not going to argue about something where we dont have all the information Ive spent enough time throwing pearls before swine .

You dont know whats gone on with Floyd neither do I we can only assume, what I do know is you present no evidence that sways me one way or the other, actually I dont even know what youre trying to say or do , a public showing of not liking the guy is about all it amounts to, in Aus we call it the tall poppy syndrome.

[Lomadeaux]

They rematched fighters they had close or competitive fights with just like Floyd did.

Unlike guys like Teo, Floyd would grant rematches POST FIGHT in the ring. He definitely didn't shy away from rematches in a close fight.

[Thuglife Nelo]

We are not talking average we are talking specifically Floyd, debate my points and we will see if its lying I can prove every point I didnt write the science I just had to apply it in different things in my life, its easy to dismiss impossible to debate I get it, we know what we know , let me be brief when you hit a certain point with a time limit 2lb may as well be 20 lbs you should know that its not a bottomless pit, but then again you need to experience that point to know you cannot go further without it hurting you, 2lbs dont sound much but neither does a straw that broke the Camels back, Im not going to argue about something where we dont have all the information Ive spent enough time throwing pearls before swine .

You dont know whats gone on with Floyd neither do I we can only assume, what I do know is you present no evidence that sways me one way or the other, actually I dont even know what youre trying to say or do , a public showing of not liking the guy is about all it amounts to, in Aus we call it the tall poppy syndrome.

You really don’t know what you’re talking about... you realize the average sauna-steam room you lose 1-2lbs. That’s any random bloke...

If in theory Floyd was a tip top athlete and seasoned at 147, it simply means he could easily make 140 if he wanted to. I easily shed close to 2pints of water after my workouts in the steam room. That’s not even including the general sweat when hitting the bag or sparring. Floyd is easily 155lbs in his Welterweight fights. His weights are never disclosed. All combat sports athletes from any class or generation can endure 10lbs of water. That’s light work. It simply means Floyd didn’t hold his end of the deal for 144 with Marquez because he was a bullshetter and didn’t want to endure a 2lbs more from his 147 endeavor.

You realize this whole debate is elementary in that there are ways to beat Floyd. Get him out of his comfort zone, not styles. SRL would beat Floyd at 154 imo, maybe not 147. The thread title is answered. Boxing has classes

[Marchegiano]

I don't think there is one set game plan that topples Floyd. I think you've got to evolve your fight plan with him. Mayweather is comfortable everywhere and exploits that more than anything else.

I know people favor Robinson but IMO his rival LaMotta would be a much harder task for Floyd.

Tommy Ryan is often over looked by historians who are talking potential Floyd beaters, but Ryan could probably give Mayweather some real trouble. His losses come from one DQ and one out of ring trick pulled by Kid McCoy. McCoy and Ryan were friendly, McCoy contacted Ryan and told him he's sick and needs a title match to pay his medical bills. They met and McCoy purposefully came starved and dehydrated as to appear sickly. Ryan gave him the fight thinking he'd be helping McCoy pay his bills and thinking he ought to take it easy on McCoy as to not kill the poor sick bastard. McCoy of course faked the whole thing and came massively prepped for the fight. Ryan did his best but was too far out of shape and was KO'd in the 15th round. Floyd's never seen a 15 rounder and medical records exist in his era. So what beat Ryan outright does exist in Floyd's era.

The George Green DQ shows the mean side of Tommy. He kneed the dude while Green was down.

Out of guys who weren't ever his size, I agree, RJJ would have given Money some issues and probably the best man to suggest as a potential Floyd beater.

[sbbigmike]

Shane Mosley talking total nonsense

At no point did Floyd start “dancing and moving around” like he tried to claim.

Floyd stood infront of him all night and walked him down as the aggressor for long periods also.

Floyd was absolutely clocking Shane, ending that boy career had him scared to throw a punch with conviction thereafter as well....brutal whooping